Talk:Disposition Matrix

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as per Wikipedia:Common_name#Common_names. unless objection i will make the change in a few days. Darkstar1st (talk) 18:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Darkstar1st, I'm not sure what exactly you're proposing? I suspect that most people who type "Kill list" into wikipedia expect to see this article, and aren't interested in the film. -Darouet (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

good point. i recommend we rename Disposition Matrix to kill list and put a link to the film's article at the top. the article about the film could use some work/rewrite anyway, it appears to be identical to the imdb entry. Darkstar1st (talk) 23:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

The Disposition Matrix is the semi-official kill list run by the United States government as part of its war on terror. I wonder if we should have a general article on kill lists? I'd be happy to work with you in the future on this but am quite busy right now... anyway feel free to solicit opinions from others or do as you see fit. -Darouet (talk) 00:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

sounds great, i am in no rush either. what other countries have kill lists? Darkstar1st (talk) 00:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

U.S. officials said the database is designed to go beyond existing kill lists, mapping plans for the “disposition” of suspects beyond the reach of American drones. we may be dealing with two subjects, a drone kill list(existing kill list), and a matrix to map plans for people not in drone range? Darkstar1st (talk) 00:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I don't know of other kill lists drawn up in other countries. I think similar lists might have been used in Afghanistan and Iraq at certain times in the last 10 years, and it's likely that we'd find them used in some of the latin American civil wars in the last half century. About your second comment, I think a whole series of separate lists maintained by the CIA, JSOC, and other organizations have been dumped into the Disposition Matrix, which is a kind of master list. -Darouet (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

here are some rs to consider that use the term or commen name "kill list" [1], [2], [3] Darkstar1st (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Please see Talk:Targeted killing. -Darouet (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I support redirecting "Kill List" to this article. Why hasn't that been done yet? It was proposed over a month ago. Akuri (talk) 20:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

• Kill List and Kill list now go to two separate articles. Should there be a disambiguation page? It's very odd for capitalisation to determine which article a person goes to. Akuri (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

disambig, not a bad idea, especially since the film is rather unremarkable. i would even suggest killing the redirect to disposition matrix, which is about targets not within the reach of US drones. Darkstar1st (talk) 21:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Would it be fine for me to create a disambiguation page about that? I would have to move the Kill List article to make room for the disambiguation page, and last year there was an RFC where consensus opposed that. [4] But in the past year I think the notability of the political meaning of kill list has grown. Akuri (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

i agree, several RS around the world have reported on specifically a "kill list". Darkstar1st (talk) 21:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'll leave a note on the talk page of the other article to make sure no one objects before I move it. Akuri (talk) 23:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Here you're saying to make a disambiguation page, and on the other talk page Grapple X is saying not to. Could you please try to resolve this disagreement with him? I can't tell what the consensus is when discussion is split between two pages, and some editors participate in one page and not the other. Akuri (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

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This is the equivalent of naming the Torture article "Enhanced interrogation." It's a state-endorsed misleading euphemism.

Disposition Matrix should redirect to Kill list, not the other way around. If necessary, create Kill list (disambiguation), but that should not be necessary. This is the obvious primary for this title. If there's seriously a concern that users will go here when they mean to go to Kill List (the film), change that name to Kill List (film). That should also be unnecessary, because there's already a note at the top of this article. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 01:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

I concur. Let us deweasel it and call spade a spade. This quote about the US bombing encyclopedia is topical:

‘As America’s involvement in the Vietnam War grew deeper, the Defense vocabulary expanded and displayed an even greater imaginative and anaesthetizing flair. Targets for attack were given the picturesque name of “strategic hamlets.” Bombing raids became “surgical strikes” and the forced movement and impounding of Vietnamese citizens were part of America’s “pacification program” – terms suggesting images of the hospital operating room or a Quaker meeting.’

Zezen (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. although I think you'll find the article uses the term 'enhanced interrogation'. someone's having a laugh at Langley. 174.255.131.169 (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply