Talk:David Voluck

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The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 talk 04:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

• ... that David Avraham Voluck is the only known non-Native tribal judge in Alaska?

• ALT1: ... that Orthodox Jewish judge David Avraham Voluck was given the Tlingit name Aan S'aati, or "Caretaker for the Land"? Source: https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2025/08/10/chabadnik-is-the-chief-judge-of-the-sitka-tribal-court/
• Reviewed:

Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:57, 26 September 2025 (UTC).Reply

• I'm interested in reviewing this one. I'll ping you when its done. This will be my first one I've reviewed, so please do bear with me. AxonsArachnida (talk) 08:01, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
  • @User:Sir Joseph Article length/newness are within requirements. I don't work on people articles, but the article citations appear suitable and well sourced. I see no issues with the article itself (ie neutrality etc) and have no concerns there. Both hooks are interesting. For the first hook, the article states that he is the only non-native tribal judge that he's aware of. Thats a bit different from being definetly the only known non-Native tribal judge. Because of this, I'd stick with the alt hook, which is fine. I am giving the second hook my approval. AxonsArachnida (talk) 08:35, 28 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
    • Thanks, and sounds good. There is a ref to the first hook, but it's the ABA journal and it's not free, so the second hook might be better anyway. I think it's more "hooky" as it is. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 17:23, 29 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph and @AxonsArachnida Regarding ALT1, per https://www.sdjewishworld.com/about/ it is a WP:SPS. Per WP:SPSBLP we should not use it unless it has an WP:ABOUTSELF exception, which it does not. We can't use ALT1 and also it should be removed from the article unless better sourcing is found. Also, ALT0 makes an exceptional claim. We would need exceptional sourcing to justify ALT0. TarnishedPath^talk 06:14, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Regarding the Alt0 claim, I worded it that way so that he's the only known, and doesn't take away that there is a possibility of someone else to that claim. So I think the source is OK for that as well. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 20:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

It is still an exceptional claim, so it would require strong sourcing regardless, ideally from multiple sources and not just The Forward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:13, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'd probably also find a hook about a ultra-Orthodox Chabad jew mediating between different Inuit tribes to be more interesting (from the forward.com source), but the article would need a tiny bit of editing. TarnishedPath^talk 08:42, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath: What about something along the lines of having a "seder plate" in the tribal court? I'm trying to find something that is specifically called out in the sources. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:13, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph:, I had to look up what a Seder plate is. As a general rule, if you have to look something up in order to make a hook interesting, it's not. TarnishedPath^talk 01:51, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath: understood, I was also thinking shofar but what about this? "that David Avraham Voluck, a Chabad Jew and Native tribal judge, credits the Tlingit people with inspiring him to become more observant in his own faith?" Sir Joseph ^(talk) 02:37, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph: sounds good. Make sure it's covered and sourced in the article and I'll approve it. TarnishedPath^talk 03:35, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath:, thanks. It's in the lead and in the religious section, sightly different wordings. I included one ref, the Penn Gazette, although the Forward also has it, but didn't want to include so many references. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:38, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph:, I'll have a look after work. TarnishedPath^talk 03:41, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph:, the relevant sentence in the religious section states "His work with Alaskan Natives is cited as having deepened his interest in his own religious heritage, leading him to take a two-year sabbatical from legal practice to study Talmudic and Jewish Legal Studies at the Rabbinical College of America in Morristown, New Jersey." Can you please update this replacing "Alaskan natives" with the names of the specific peoples. TarnishedPath^talk 08:13, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath: is that necessary? Both the sources used Alaska Native especially since Voluck worked for several tribes. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:24, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Sir Joseph: what is stated in the article, the hook and the sources needs to align or someone will pick the differences and it will be brought up at errors. TarnishedPath^talk 01:01, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath: it doesn't mention a specific tribe, and that is what the source also mentions. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 02:27, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

On that basis I'll approve a slight variation of your suggested hook above. ALT2: ... that David Avraham Voluck, a Chabad Jew and Native tribal judge, credits first nations peoples with inspiring him to become more observant in his own faith?

TarnishedPath^talk 02:56, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

@TarnishedPath:Thanks, the only thing I would change is "first nations" to "Alaska Natives", since first nations is not the term used in the US. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:22, 14 November 2025 (UTC)Reply