Talk:Black Square

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I propose changing the description of Kazimir Malevich from "Russian avant-garde artist" to "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

The current wording "Russian artist" is not entirely accurate. While Malevich indeed worked for a long time within the territory of modern Russia and made a great contribution to its cultural development, several scholarly sources also emphasize his Ukrainian background and identity.

Malevich was born in Kyiv, which is now the capital of Ukraine, and during 1928–1930 he taught at the Kyiv Institute of Art. Some of his works were inspired by Ukrainian themes. For example, the "Peasant Cycle" was inspired by Ukrainian village life, and the graphite drawing "Where There is a Hammer and Sickle, There is Death and Hunger" depicts the famine in Ukraine caused by Soviet collectivization.

According to research by Gasper Hulvat, Malevich identified his nationality as "Ukrainian" during his arrest in 1930. Other scholars also note that he described his heritage as Ukrainian-Polish.

It is worth noting that Russian researchers generally consider him a Russian avant-garde artist, while Ukrainian researchers describe him as a Ukrainian avant-garde artist. Therefore, to reflect both perspectives and avoid one-sided interpretation, I propose using the neutral phrasing "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

Чічка (не Аіака) (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. NotJamestack (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Okay, thank you for the feedback! I’ll start a discussion to reach consensus first. Чічка (не Аіака) (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

I propose changing the description of Kazimir Malevich from "Russian avant-garde artist" to "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

The current wording "Russian artist" is not entirely accurate. While Malevich indeed worked for a long time within the territory of modern Russia and made a great contribution to its cultural development, several scholarly sources also emphasize his Ukrainian background and identity.

Malevich was born in Kyiv, which is now the capital of Ukraine, and during 1928–1930 he taught at the Kyiv Institute of Art. Some of his works were inspired by Ukrainian themes. For example, the "Peasant Cycle" was inspired by Ukrainian village life, and the graphite drawing "Where There is a Hammer and Sickle, There is Death and Hunger" depicts the famine in Ukraine caused by Soviet collectivization.

According to research by Gasper Hulvat, Malevich identified his nationality as "Ukrainian" during his arrest in 1930. Other scholars also note that he described his heritage as Ukrainian-Polish.

It is worth noting that Russian researchers generally consider him a Russian avant-garde artist, while Ukrainian researchers describe him as a Ukrainian avant-garde artist. Therefore, to reflect both perspectives and avoid one-sided interpretation, I propose using the neutral phrasing "Ukrainian and Russian avant-garde artist".

(talk) 20:01, 5 November 2025 (UTC)Reply