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Chemical stressors and environmental exposures, with content from merged page
Content has been merged from another page, now placing it within the context of a spectrum of chemical stressors and harm to bees, from most to least significant. The section is called 'Chemical stressors and environmental exposures'. Please don't alter the title as it reflects full scope of the underlying issues.Astral highway (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for merging. However, any title with "and" in it is automatically doubtful, as it suggests two subjects in one section, which implies a lack of focus. A single title is nearly always preferable. Why, for example, would "Exposure to chemicals" not be just as good, or indeed better? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the thumbs up on the merge. You have a valid point. I'm minded to meet you halfway with 'exposure to chemical stressors'. I want to keep intact at source the idea that it's not just chemicals passively out there, they are stressors on bees. Could we go with that? Astral highway (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Right, let's do that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Good conclusion all round Astral highway (talk) 10:49, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Right, let's do that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the thumbs up on the merge. You have a valid point. I'm minded to meet you halfway with 'exposure to chemical stressors'. I want to keep intact at source the idea that it's not just chemicals passively out there, they are stressors on bees. Could we go with that? Astral highway (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
Revert to edit on wiggle dance paragraph (under 'Navigation, communication and finding food' -- clarification
You revert my edit on what Karl von Frisch said on a specific means of orientation, gravity. (This is in his old Nobel Lecture, which I've been familiar with in its primary text form for years, and repeats the content in the book cited.) When you say "polarization patterns are used under cloudy skies, inside a dark beehive" that is missing the point of the edit and is not right. KVF explains that when gravity no longer provided a directional reference, bees became confused and danced in random directions. This is what showed that gravity is essential for orientation within the dark hive, where the sun cannot be seen. That is what you have removed in your edit. It doesn't unconfuse the reader, it misleads on the landmark experiment.Astral highway (talk) 15:01, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- This is clear, thank you, unlike the previous edit which was incomprehensible even to those who already knew the waggle dance story.
- The issue with giving detail here is that it uniquely concerns the honeybee, not other social bees and not any of the solitary bees either. It thus risks worsening the already large conflation of "bee" and "honeybee" in readers' minds. We must take great care, therefore, not to give WP:UNDUE weight to honeybees in this group article. I had kept all mentions brief for this reason, and will trim this mention as necessary. The matter is covered in much more detail already at Honeybee, and at Waggle dance. Chiswick Chap (talk) 01:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
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- Result: GAR was not the proper venue for addressing concerns with this article, which appear to have been resolved. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:00, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
See https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Bee&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0
Fails good article criteria 2 and violates Wikipedia Policy on copyright violations. Robloxguest3 (talk)
23:07, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Robloxguest3: It seems that the "copyright violation" material in this article comes from a Flickr post where the original poster copied a previous revision of the article. The Flickr post was uploaded on 28 December 2020, and the aforementioned version dates to 27 December 2020, which would probalby be the lastest version of the article at the date of the Flickr post. An Earwig comparison between the post and the above revision shows a 99.1% violation; the rest of the stuff that weren't detected for copyright violations are web elements on the Flickr page that were in transcluded in the comparison and some templates on the Wikipedia article (it's also worth mentioning that the end of the Flickr caption says "Wikipedia"). So TL;DR, the Flickr post is most likely a Wikipedia mirror. (Pinging Chiswick Chap, Astral highway, and Cwmhiraeth, the most significant contributors of this article, who may be interested in this discussion). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 04:00, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- With that said, there are a few unreferenced passages that need citations based on a cursory review. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 04:03, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- 1) Given that the Flickr post is actually an attributed copy of Wikipedia, there cannot be a copyvio here. I'll remove the tag now. I have inserted a "backwards copy" tag on the talk page.
- 2) This should not have been brought to GAR without a week's notice on Talk:Bee to allow reply (as per item (1)) and remedial action if necessary. Please never bring any article to GAR without such notice.
- 3) The team, including me, will now fix anything that needs fixing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:06, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- 4) On Icepinner's unreferenced passages, I fixed one list item that was actually cited at the head of the list (repeated the ref) and one snippet of text that was possibly editorial (removed). Otherwise the article appears clean and fully cited, so I suggest this GAR should be speedily closed unless there are any specific items to fix. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
Keep, as above. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap: Thank you for your response. I hate to bother you on this, but there are still two uncited passages: one in the "Exposure to chemical stressors" section (
However, because their occurrence is sporadic and seasonal, natural floral toxins rarely affect colonies at a population level
) and one in the "In art and literature" subsection of the "Relationship with humans" section (Beatrix Potter's illustrated book The Tale of Mrs Tittlemouse (1910)...
). Other than that, the article seems to meet the remaining GAN criteria. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 10:48, 25 February 2026 (UTC)- Icepinner Refs added. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
Keep given Chiswick Chap's above work. I've also taken the liberty of removing some duplicated citations, as well as replacing academic repository links in citations with the links from the original source. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 14:51, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I have a photo of an bee that I would like to use Wohooimakezaraugly (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- How nice. However, you need to start from the other end of the telescope, i.e. what do Wikipedia's many bee articles need. This article at the top of that family is pretty complete and well-illustrated. Other bee articles may well need a photo of their particular species. But this edit request can't handle that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:35, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
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