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Shared resources suggestion

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There is a shared resources Wikipedia page, but it is not much used, probably because it is time consuming for editors to add their reference works to it. I've begun a listing of my own reference works that I think are of interest to other Wikipedians. The page is here; there is a section on Anglo-Saxon history, currently incomplete, that may be of interest to others here.

I'd like to suggest two things:

Anyone who is willing to use the sources at their disposal to assist other editors may wish to create a similar page.
We could then create a section on the main project page of links to editor's library pages, where those pages contain some medieval history references.

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I've done that too, User:Adam Bishop/library (although it's mostly stuff that is useful to me, not useful in general). Adam Bishop (talk) 03:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-19T03:30:00.000Z","author":"Adam Bishop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Adam_Bishop-2010-01-19T03:30:00.000Z-Mike_Christie-2010-01-19T01:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Geoffroi de Charny (French Knight), Geoffroi de Charney and Jacques de Molay (Knights Templars)

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Have made substantial improvements and additions. Would like the article re-evaluated please with any suggestions welcome. Also done work on Geoffroi de Charney and Jacques de Molay (Knights Templars) - same request. Mugginsx (talk) 03:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-12T03:31:00.000Z","author":"Mugginsx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mugginsx-2010-02-12T03:31:00.000Z-Geoffroi_de_Charny_(French_Knight),_Geoffroi_de_Charney_and_Jacques_de_Molay_(Kn","replies":[]}}-->

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Beatrice of Rethel

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The article on King Roger II of Sicily's Queen consort Beatrice of Rethel needs expanding. The article as it currently stands is sparse of text and appears incomplete. Hopefully, an editor with sourced information will be able to work on it to bring it up to Wikipedia standards.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-24T08:24:00.000Z","author":"Jeanne boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-02-24T08:24:00.000Z-Beatrice_of_Rethel","replies":[]}}-->

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Charter fairs

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I have created a new article Charter fair because so many other articles refer to charter fairs. It is a stub so far and needs substantial expansion. Because so many fairs got their charters in the middle ages, I hope editors in WP:MA may be able to help. Thanks, Andy F (talk) 09:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-04T09:12:00.000Z","author":"Andy F","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andy_F-2010-04-04T09:12:00.000Z-Charter_fairs","replies":["c-Hchc2009-2010-04-04T11:48:00.000Z-Andy_F-2010-04-04T09:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've added a couple of paragraphs and some basic references, but it will need some more work. Hchc2009 (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-04T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Hchc2009","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hchc2009-2010-04-04T11:48:00.000Z-Andy_F-2010-04-04T09:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andy_F-2010-04-09T18:23:00.000Z-Hchc2009-2010-04-04T11:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

The article has certainly developed – many thanks Andy F (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Andy F","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Andy_F-2010-04-09T18:23:00.000Z-Hchc2009-2010-04-04T11:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The ethnicity of John Hunyadi

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I've opened a thread about John Hunyadi's ethnicity on Fringe theory noticeboard: [1]. John Hunyadi is one of the most important military leaders of the Middle Ages, so maybe some editors will be interested (Umumu (talk) 15:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-09T15:00:00.000Z","author":"Umumu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Umumu-2010-04-09T15:00:00.000Z-The_ethnicity_of_John_Hunyadi","replies":[]}}-->

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Sibylla of Jerusalem

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The article on Sibylla of Jerusalem needs an infobox, as I've already suggested on the said article's talk page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-10T13:35:00.000Z","author":"Jeanne boleyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-04-10T13:35:00.000Z-Sibylla_of_Jerusalem","replies":["c-Hchc2009-2010-04-23T12:52:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-04-10T13:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've added one. Probably worth checking I've got the details right, as I'm not a Sibylla specialist! Hchc2009 (talk) 12:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-23T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Hchc2009","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hchc2009-2010-04-23T12:52:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-04-10T13:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-04-23T13:09:00.000Z-Hchc2009-2010-04-23T12:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Looks great! Thank you, Hchc2009!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-23T13:09:00.000Z","author":"Jeanne boleyn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jeanne_boleyn-2010-04-23T13:09:00.000Z-Hchc2009-2010-04-23T12:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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FAR

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New WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms

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Currently Wikiproject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms is under proposal at the Wikiproject Proposal centre. We will be focusing on developing articles related to Post-Roman Pre-French England (c. 410-1066) and all of its social, political and cultural implications. If you interested please sign up to support at Wikiproject Anglo Saxon Kingdoms. Project Home Page coming soon. Also, cool task forces for you favorite kingdoms including Mercia, which will be our very first task force. Thank you very much, and hope you will come out to support. Sadads (talk) 01:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-01T01:26:00.000Z","author":"Sadads","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sadads-2010-05-01T01:26:00.000Z-New_WikiProject_Anglo-Saxon_Kingdoms","replies":["c-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z-Sadads-2010-05-01T01:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms has now been set up. Metabaronic (talk) 00:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Metabaronic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z-Sadads-2010-05-01T01:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2010-05-28T02:09:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z","c-Sadads-2010-06-01T16:50:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Groan! Another set of talk page banners, of course always placed at the top, whatever the relevance, and never nested. None of the notable editors on the subject involved. Let's hope it doesn't rapidly fade away, leaving just its banners, as most of these efforts do. Johnbod (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-28T02:09:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2010-05-28T02:09:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Metabaronic-2010-05-28T09:57:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-05-28T02:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well how about recommending said "notable editors" to us for a start? Instead we have newish dedicated editors - treat us right and we may yet be notable. And the best way to keep it alive is to join and participate. As for banners - they're mostly added by bot, and if you look you'll see they a) are being nested, and that b) they are not always at the top. Certainly I tier them according to assessed importance. Even if you don't join, surely constructive input at the project talk page will be more helpful than groaning and moaning about us :).Metabaronic (talk) 09:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-28T09:57:00.000Z","author":"Metabaronic","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Metabaronic-2010-05-28T09:57:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-05-28T02:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2010-05-28T13:44:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-28T09:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

All the ones I have seen are at the top, often most inappropriately, & not nested, & sometimes accompanied by inaccurate tags which I have removed. Thanks to the category system you have tagged a number of articles, like Book of Dimma and Bobbio Orosius, which have certainly nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. Tidying up all this will be more than enough involvement for me. You have I think approached User:Mike Christie, User:Ealdgyth, & no doubt others, & been declined. You might try the new face User:Jayser100. Johnbod (talk) 13:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-28T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2010-05-28T13:44:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-28T09:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Metabaronic-2010-05-29T17:43:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-05-28T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Banner issues can be raised under Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms/Banner.Metabaronic (talk) 17:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-29T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Metabaronic","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Metabaronic-2010-05-29T17:43:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-05-28T13:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Most of the talk banners are nested, I manually added them once I realized that they were not nesting properly in the AWB setup I had. I did ask for my talk page to be notified if their were serious problems with the tagging. Sadads (talk) 16:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-01T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Sadads","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sadads-2010-06-01T16:50:00.000Z-Metabaronic-2010-05-03T00:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Battle of Szigetvár nominated for GA

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Battle of Szigetvár, an article within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, has just been nominated for GA. Any kind of help or comments would be appreciated. Kebeta (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-23T18:52:00.000Z","author":"Kebeta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kebeta-2010-06-23T18:52:00.000Z-Battle_of_Szigetv\u00e1r_nominated_for_GA","replies":[]}}-->

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Roman imperial church

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Comments invited at the talk page of this new article, which seems to me to have an ill-defined scope and focus, and overlaps at a lower level of quality numerous other articles (mentioned there) which it doesn't even link to. First para of lead: "The Roman imperial church, the official Christian church of the Roman Empire, was formally established during the 4th century CE though it was descended from the earlier Christian fellowships that had existed since the foundation of the Christian religion.[1] The Church was officially sanctioned by and closely linked with the Roman state.[2] The emperor came to be seen as the Church's defender and leader along with the bishops.[3] The Church existed, at least in theory, as a unified entity until the Great Schism of the 11th century. The Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church have both claimed to be the legal and spiritual continuation of this Church. Additionally many other Christian sects, including the Anglican Church and the Lutheran Church, claim to be descendants of this Church alongside Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy." Johnbod (talk) 22:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-11T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2010-07-11T22:57:00.000Z-Roman_imperial_church","replies":["c-Johnbod-2010-07-13T23:37:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-07-11T22:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

It has now changed its name, & I have put it up for AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/State church of the Roman Empire. Johnbod (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-13T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2010-07-13T23:37:00.000Z-Johnbod-2010-07-11T22:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What was really the Roman Empire

Though I know this is an oft debated issue ...

There is some ongoing and fairly unpleasant debate going on at Talk:State church of the Roman Empire (formerly Roman Imperial Church). A great deal of the debate centers around what was really the Roman Empire at any given point in history and what is the right way for Wikipedia articles to talk about Roman entities and non-Roman entities. I have asserted on that talk page that those sorts of discussions are really beyond the scope of the article (these questions affect far more than that article). I have insisted that those discussions be redirected to relevant Wikproject pages including this one. If there are any essays or previous discussions that are particularly relevant please feel free to share.

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Sutton Hoo GA review

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Sutton Hoo has been nominated to be listed as a Good Article. A review has started and is now on hold while the reviewer does more background reading on the topic. In the meantime a few points have been listed for improvement or discussion here. This project is tagged on the talkpage as one that has an interest in the article, and any extra assistance is always appreciated during a GA review. SilkTork *^YES! 10:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-12T10:08:00.000Z","author":"SilkTork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SilkTork-2010-08-12T10:08:00.000Z-Sutton_Hoo_GA_review","replies":[]}}-->

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Science in the Middle Ages

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Hello. You are invited to take part in the discussion on Science in the Middle Ages. The question is should we keep or remove the section on the Islamic world. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 08:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-21T08:22:00.000Z","author":"Gun Powder Ma","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gun_Powder_Ma-2010-08-21T08:22:00.000Z-Science_in_the_Middle_Ages","replies":[]}}-->

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Economy of England in the Middle Ages...

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I've had a go at drafting an initial article on the Economy of England in the Middle Ages - it will no doubt benefit from the contributions of others! Many thanks, Hchc2009 (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-05T15:53:00.000Z","author":"Hchc2009","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hchc2009-2010-09-05T15:53:00.000Z-Economy_of_England_in_the_Middle_Ages...","replies":[]}}-->