Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2011
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I opened RFC at here. Please post your comment. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-01T07:26:00.000Z","author":"Oda Mari","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oda_Mari-2011-04-01T07:26:00.000Z-Shiba_inu","replies":[]}}-->
I noticed that there is a List of battleships of Japan but there is no List of aircraft carriers of Japan. Shouldn't there be one? The unified list of aircraft carriers is missing several non-fleet carriers, like the Ise class battleship conversions, and the I-400 submarine aircraft carriers, so a specific list for Japan would be useful in having these more specialized carriers/less generic. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 11:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-02T11:08:00.000Z","author":"65.93.12.101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-65.93.12.101-2011-04-02T11:08:00.000Z-aircraft_carriers","replies":["c-Victor_falk-2011-04-02T19:06:00.000Z-65.93.12.101-2011-04-02T11:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
I agree that there should be such a list. walkvictor falktalk19:06, 2 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-02T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Victor falk","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Victor_falk-2011-04-02T19:06:00.000Z-65.93.12.101-2011-04-02T11:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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All opinions welcome. Thank you. walkvictor falktalk19:06, 2 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-02T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Victor falk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Victor_falk-2011-04-02T19:06:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion\/2011_March_28#File:Nakayama-ritsuko-12th-ball.jpg","replies":[]}}-->
I set out on a quest to write an article on NPB's first and only player strike in 2004. When looking for the corresponding article on the Japanese Wiki, I noticed that it's rolled into one big article with the team merger and the expansion team, among other things. The article is called プロ野球再編問題 (2004年). From what I can tell, this translates to "Pro-baseball realignment"? Anyone have a better translation? Or, better yet, does anyone have any idea what term I can use to name the upcoming English article equivalent? --TorsodogTalk00:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-04T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Torsodog","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Torsodog-2011-04-04T00:08:00.000Z-2004_NPB_baseball_crisis","replies":["c-Asakura_Akira-2011-04-04T17:25:00.000Z-Torsodog-2011-04-04T00:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
As far as I remember the Japanese media coverage back then, gappei mondai/[プロ野球]合併問題 ranked very high on the list of terms used to describe the whole chain of events, ja:球団合併問題 and ja:プロ野球球団合併問題 are also redirects in ja-WP. So, maybe "NPB merger crisis"? Depending on the focus and structure of the article "2004 NPB player strike" might also be fine to keep a similar format to MLB articles as in 1994 MLB strike. Just a non-native's two yen, Asakura Akira (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-04T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Asakura Akira","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Asakura_Akira-2011-04-04T17:25:00.000Z-Torsodog-2011-04-04T00:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)
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It was suggested here that the inactive WikiProject Japanese Bibliography be turned into a task force of this project. Does anyone from this project think this would be a good idea? Hut 8.512:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z","author":"Hut 8.5","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hut_8.5-2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z-WikiProject_Japanese_Bibliography","replies":["c-Kleinzach-2011-04-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hut_8.5-2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z","c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z-Hut_8.5-2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
The project has already been notified twice, see above. --Kleinzach22:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-07T22:42:00.000Z","author":"Kleinzach","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kleinzach-2011-04-07T22:42:00.000Z-Hut_8.5-2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Klein"}}-->
I think it's a good idea. It's mainly been kept for historical reasons, but apparently the deletion zealots--who have nothing better to do with their time--want to see it deleted for no good reason. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z","author":"Nihonjoe","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z-Hut_8.5-2011-04-07T12:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kleinzach-2011-04-08T07:29:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z","c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:54:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u65e5\u672c\u7a63"}}-->
No editor at the Mfd suggested deletion. If this project had woken up earlier you could have actually participated. Apology please! --Kleinzach07:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-08T07:29:00.000Z","author":"Kleinzach","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kleinzach-2011-04-08T07:29:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-12T06:42:00.000Z-Kleinzach-2011-04-08T07:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Klein"}}-->
At least one editor suggested it should be deleted or it wouldn't have been at MFD. JJ98 has been going crazy with nominating inactive WikiProjects, despite the instructions on the MFD page. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-12T06:42:00.000Z","author":"Nihonjoe","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-12T06:42:00.000Z-Kleinzach-2011-04-08T07:29:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u65e5\u672c\u7a63"}}-->
I've also just moved it, and I will add it to the navbox and talk page project banner tomorrow. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-08T06:54:00.000Z","author":"Nihonjoe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:54:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kleinzach-2011-04-08T07:31:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2011-04-08T06:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u65e5\u672c\u7a63"}}-->
FYI, Fry1989 (talk·contribs) changed the image on several Japanese stub templates on 9 and 7 April. The size doesn't appear to have changed, but the existing size themselves seem problematic, since they leave alot of whitespace. See Template talk:Akita-geo-stub for what I mean. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-10T10:21:00.000Z","author":"65.93.12.101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-65.93.12.101-2011-04-10T10:21:00.000Z-Japanese_stub_templates","replies":[]}}-->
For anybody who needs a 1696 map of Kyoto or who just likes looking at pretty maps. bamse (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-10T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Bamse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bamse-2011-04-10T22:48:00.000Z-Old_Kyoto_Map","replies":["c-Shinkansen_Fan-2011-04-12T02:38:00.000Z-Bamse-2011-04-10T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
Arguably welcome addition at en:Genroku? es:Genroku? fr:Ère Genroku? pt:Genroku? sv:Genroku? Uncertain about adding at ko:겐로쿠 and/or zh:元祿? --Tenmei (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-11T20:00:00.000Z","author":"Tenmei","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tenmei-2011-05-11T20:00:00.000Z-Shinkansen_Fan-2011-04-12T02:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Need to update the "Largest Cities of Japan" section in the main Japan article to reflect 2010 Census Populations
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This is actually my first time doing this so I apologize if the format of this type of change request is incorrect. I noticed that the current section "largest Cities of Japan" in the main Japan article is a little outdated and reflects the population of the top 20 Japanese cities from the 2005 Census. The city populations have been updated in the 2010 Japan Census and the new numbers are indicated below (source located at the very bottom):
Thanks for taking the time to look at and consider my request.
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I wish to inform you that this image has been nominated for deletion. SilverserenC20:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-22T20:15:00.000Z","author":"Silver seren","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Silver_seren-2011-04-22T20:15:00.000Z-Deletion_of_election_poster_image","replies":[],"displayName":"Silver"}}-->
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FLC of List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: others)
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Resolved
I invite comments, questions and suggestions for the featured list candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: others). The nomination page can be found here. Thanks. bamse (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-03-22T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Bamse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bamse-2011-03-22T14:45:00.000Z-FLC_of_List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(writings:_others)","replies":["c-Bamse-2011-04-24T21:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2011-03-22T14:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
It has been listed as Nominations urgently needing reviews, meaning that it is in danger of failing because of a lack of reviews. So far it has received one "support" vote (no "oppose") while three votes is considered to be the minimum for success. Hopefully a member of this wikiproject will have time for a review. You'd need to do the following: Check this list for these criteria and leave your comments (together with a "Support"/"Oppose" vote) here. Thanks a lot! bamse (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-24T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Bamse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bamse-2011-04-24T21:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2011-03-22T14:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
{{The Shinto Barnstar}} appears to be broken. 65.94.45.160 (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-26T06:49:00.000Z","author":"65.94.45.160","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-65.94.45.160-2011-04-26T06:49:00.000Z-template:The_Shinto_Barnstar","replies":[]}}-->
Hello all. I don't know if you've come across the JNTO photo library - reasonably extensive and some are quite good. Looks like they're ok with bona-fide use - as I have also had confirmed by email (copied below). Don't know if anything can be made of this? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T15:23:00.000Z","author":"Maculosae tegmine lyncis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T15:23:00.000Z-JNTO_photo_library","replies":[]}}-->
Dear XXXX,
Thank you very much for your kind interests to our country.
Please use our images freely. Each photo has the different credit line,
so please find copyright information from the photo detail and put it.
Hope it will be of your help.
Best regards,
Yukiko Agata
JNTO Tokyo
To clarify, that was specifically in response to my asking whether they are ok for their images to be used in Wikipedia articles, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T19:17:00.000Z","author":"Maculosae tegmine lyncis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:17:00.000Z-JNTO_photo_library","replies":["c-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:23:00.000Z-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
Looks like a very useful image library. I asked the experts how we can use these images. bamse (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T20:23:00.000Z","author":"Bamse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:23:00.000Z-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Full text of JNTO copyright notice, copied here for some reason.
First pass, reading this, is that we can't use any of it as free use, because article 5 of that notice is essentially a non-commercial stipulation which is. For some incredibly stupid reason that the WMF seems to think they do a good job of justifying, WMF projects treat non-commerical as being not free enough for free use on WMF projects.
TLDR: These would be "non-commercial" so they would all have to be fair use, not free use.
I'll look a bit more now, see if I can get anything that might mitigate that. Sven ManguardWha?22:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Sven Manguard","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:24:00.000Z-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T21:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:46:00.000Z-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Nope, no mitigating factors, see below. Sven ManguardWha?22:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Sven Manguard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:46:00.000Z-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Alright, so let's break this down into small, easy to summarize points
Every single image on that site is marked as copyrighted by JNTO, many others are marked as copyrighted by a local organization/government/person and by JNTO.
Short of finding the proper person to speak to for each organization/government/person, we cannot use any of the dual copyrighted images, even if JNTO waves their copyright, the other is still in effect.
The form could be tweaked in such a way as to allow one form to be used for all the images we wanted to use, however, again, JNTO does not have the ability to override the copyright for anyone other than JNTO, so dual copyrighted images cannot be released this way.
If you use the CONSENT form, it's already there, if you don't, make sure they know about the commercial aspect, as that's something that they are apparently concerned about.
I know no one likes jumping through hoops, but this is the way it has to be done. Good luck and thanks for putting in all this effort. If you need anything else, drop me a message, Sven ManguardWha?22:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Sven Manguard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sven_Manguard-2011-04-28T22:44:00.000Z-JNTO_photo_library","replies":[]}}-->
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I've been trying to use some of the images from the Japanese Wikipedia but in some instances the result is only red text with the image name. Has anyone had any experience of dealing with this? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Maculosae tegmine lyncis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:15:00.000Z-Japanese_Wikipedia_images","replies":["c-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:04:00.000Z-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
Any image you see on the Japanese Wikipedia, is located in one of two types of storage location: (i) on Japanese Wikipedia itself or (ii) on Wikimedia Commons. For instance, this is an image that belongs to type "(i)". This is an image that belongs to type "(ii)". Note the message below the ukiyoe image, saying that this file is located on "commons". This message is not present in images of type "(i)". On English wikipedia you can use only images that have been uploaded to Commons (or to English Wikipedia). If you want to use an image of type "(i)" from Japanese wikipedia on English Wikipedia, you can reupload it to Commons under the same licence mentioning its location on Japanese Wikipedia, etc (see WP:MTC). I use this tool for such cases which makes the process less painful. bamse (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Bamse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:04:00.000Z-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T21:35:00.000Z-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
Many thanks (and presumably no 熊丼 for you), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-04-28T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Maculosae tegmine lyncis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Maculosae_tegmine_lyncis-2011-04-28T21:35:00.000Z-Bamse-2011-04-28T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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