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You gotta help me! Why am I blocked on Wikivoyage? Who even is LibMod? I just got on here! I haven't even done anything wrong! You saw how I edited the Ada page and you thanked me personally! American Ride (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-08T21:47:00.000Z","author":"American Ride","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-American_Ride-2018-09-08T21:47:00.000Z-Help!","replies":[]}}-->
Please, what is going on? I was having so much fun editing today! Now I'm blocked for life, and I haven't even done anything wrong! @SelfieCity:American Ride (talk) 22:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-08T22:18:00.000Z","author":"American Ride","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-American_Ride-2018-09-08T22:18:00.000Z-Help!","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:05:00.000Z-American_Ride-2018-09-08T22:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
[Redacted comment] --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-09T02:05:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:05:00.000Z-American_Ride-2018-09-08T22:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-AndreCarrotflower-2018-09-09T02:07:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
SelfieCity, please see voy:pub#What the hell? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-09T02:07:00.000Z","author":"AndreCarrotflower","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AndreCarrotflower-2018-09-09T02:07:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:15:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2018-09-09T02:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
@AndreCarrotflower: Got it. It has dawned on me that only one user puts the {{ping}} at the end of the comment instead of the beginning: Libmod. While part of me doesn't want to see a genuine new user (e.g. someone who's not LM) get blocked by mistake, at the same time we can't let LM succeed in using a doppelganger again, so if this is LM then we need to deal with the issue quickly. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-09T02:15:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2018-09-09T02:15:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2018-09-09T02:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
On Wikivoyage, you may know me as Libertarianmoderate. Hopefully you can eventually see by my edits here that I've given up vandalism. Grimm324 (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-22T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Grimm324","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grimm324-2018-11-22T19:33:00.000Z-Hey","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T19:56:00.000Z-Grimm324-2018-11-22T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
If you want to return to Wikivoyage, I can tell you that the editors there are in no mood to let you back. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-22T19:56:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T19:56:00.000Z-Grimm324-2018-11-22T19:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Grimm324-2018-11-22T20:35:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T19:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Don't worry, in about a year they will be. Grimm324 (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-22T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Grimm324","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Grimm324-2018-11-22T20:35:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T19:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T20:45:00.000Z-Grimm324-2018-11-22T20:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
No, they won't be. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 20:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-22T20:45:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2018-11-22T20:45:00.000Z-Grimm324-2018-11-22T20:35:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack on Wikipedia! And whether you and Andre like it or not, I'll be back on Wikivoyage soon. Even if I have to do it under an assumed name. Libertarianmoderate (talk) 01:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-29T01:53:00.000Z","author":"Libertarianmoderate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Libertarianmoderate-2019-01-29T01:53:00.000Z-MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!","replies":["c-Doug_Weller-2019-02-06T16:24:00.000Z-Libertarianmoderate-2019-01-29T01:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Just noticed this after I gave you the notice below. I'd given this editor a good faith unblock and then they did this. I blocked them again. Funny coincidence. Doug Wellertalk16:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-06T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-2019-02-06T16:24:00.000Z-Libertarianmoderate-2019-01-29T01:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Thanks. Fixed the problems. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-07T01:33:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-02-07T01:33:00.000Z-Doug_Weller-2019-02-06T16:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Articles are to be written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not concerned with facts or opinions, it just summarizes reliable sources. Real scholarship actually does not say what understanding of the world is "true," but only with what there is evidence for. In the case of science, this evidence must ultimately start with physical evidence. In the case of religion, this means only reporting what has been written and not taking any stance on doctrine.
Material must be proportionate to what is found in the source cited. If a source makes a small claim and presents two larger counter claims, the material it supports should present one claim and two counter claims instead of presenting the one claim as extremely large while excluding or downplaying the counter claims.
Also, not a policy or guideline, but something important to understand the above policies and guidelines: Wikipedia operates off of objective information, which is information that multiple persons can examine and agree upon. It does not include subjective information, which only an individual can know from an "inner" or personal experience. Most religious beliefs fall under subjective information. Wikipedia may document objective statements about notable subjective claims (i.e. "Christians believe Jesus is divine"), but it does not pretend that subjective statements are objective, and will expose false statements masquerading as subjective beliefs (cf. Indigo children).
You may also want to read User:Ian.thomson/ChristianityAndNPOV. We at Wikipedia are highbrow (snobby), heavily biased for the academia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T02:03:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T02:03:00.000Z-A_summary_of_site_policies_and_guidelines_you_may_find_useful","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T03:30:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T02:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Tgeorgescu: So basically, a Christian work is more biased than an Athiest one? I don’t understand. I’m not saying Daniel was right, written in 400 BC, etc, just that it seems that many Christians believe it was written at a specific time. According to the religion section of npov, stating religious views on a matter is fine. BTW, I’m a nondenominational Christian who’s very questioning about a lot of religious views, and I strongly oppose a lot of the views and methods of traditional, fundamentalist Christianity. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 03:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T03:30:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T03:30:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T02:03:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
We're not a WP:BATTLEGROUND of atheism vs. Christianity. Christians have various opinions upon when it was written, most Christians having no opinion upon that. As a matter of fact, most Christians have never read the Bible. An Eastern Orthodox even told me that I had to ask permission from a priest in order to read the Bible. Asking them to have an opinion upon when that book was written is more or less like:
A: I am a fan of WW2 movies.
B: So, tell me: which hair color did Hitler have? Tgeorgescu (talk) 10:22, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T10:22:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T10:22:00.000Z-A_summary_of_site_policies_and_guidelines_you_may_find_useful","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T13:37:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T10:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
B was dark brown or black, right? Anyway, I see your point, but the text could simply be changed from "Christians tend to believe" to "some Christians believe." Remember, Catholics don't traditionally put emphasis on the Bible anyway, so they wouldn't have such an interest in when it was written. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 13:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T13:37:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T13:37:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T10:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:26:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T13:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
We have to be precise: which Christians believe that? Are those URLs WP:RS? Tgeorgescu (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T15:26:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:26:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T13:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T15:52:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
I see the problem with source #2, but BibleStudyTools.com has an Alexa rank of less than 4,000, so I think it's worth mentioning if it says, as it does, that the Book of Daniel was written in the 500s BC and gives evidence to support that view. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 15:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T15:52:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T15:52:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:59:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T15:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
We don't got by Alexa rank, we go by WP:IRS. Besides, how can be there "evidence" that it were written in 500s BC? AFAIK such evidence cannot exist. It is true that it includes older text, this point wasn't in doubt. Tgeorgescu (talk) 15:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T15:59:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:59:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T15:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T17:54:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Read [1]. That's the source. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-13T17:54:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-13T17:54:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-13T15:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
This isn’t simply the approach of “liberal” Bible professors. It’s the way historians always date sources. If you find a letter written on paper that is obviously 300 years old or so, and the author says something about the “United States” — then you know it was written after the Revolutionary War. So too if you find an ancient document that describes the destruction of Jerusalem, then you know it was written after 70 CE. It’s not rocket science! But it’s also not “liberal.” It’s simply how history is done. If someone wants to invent other rules, they’re the ones who are begging questions!
— Bart Ehrman
I would like to chime in here that the reason we know the Book of Daniel was written in the second century BC is because the prophecies in it are only accurate up until a certain date: 164 BC exactly. After that date, all of the prophecies are catastrophically wrong. The only way that you can arrive with a work containing accurate prophecies up to one, specific date and inaccurate prophecies thereafter is if the book was actually written at that date, making all the "predictions" prior to that point actually be history framed as predictions to make the actual predictions found later seem reliable. --Katolophyromai (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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From Second Temple: Founded c. 537–516 BCE (construction). Meaning 485 BCE is a bogus date. If you mean Cyrus's decree from 559 BCE (which is otherwise not historically attested and considered mythical), then the Messiah arrived in 76 BCE. If you mean 516 BCE, then Jesus was about 65 years old when crucified. In fact, the Bible clearly states that Cyrus is the Messiah of the Jewish people. Tgeorgescu (talk)
I don't see whether prophecies were right or wrong as relevant to this discussion. The point is, we should include the statements, as sourced, from BibleStudyTools.com about this topic to help better show npov. Plus, keep in mind that any historians in the 17th century, or earlier in Christendom would have believed that Daniel was written much earlier than what modern historians now say. Also, keep in mind that the Book of Daniel isn't written, "This will happen. Then this will happen, etc." Through much of the book, its prophecies could mean basically anything. So saying that its prophecies are clearly accurate to a certain date, and then inaccurate, does not stress that the Book of Daniel is often completely unclear in its meaning. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 13:48, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-14T13:48:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T13:48:00.000Z-A_summary_of_site_policies_and_guidelines_you_may_find_useful","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:35:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T13:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
I think I have explained our view at WP:ABIAS. Or to quote somebody else:
Thank you for your views. Wikipedia has a strong bias in favor of academic sources for history. That is how it should be. If archaeology says Beersheba was founded 6000 years ago and the bible says it was founded 4000 years ago, archaeology wins. Zerotalk 13:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
BibleStudyTools.com is not a blog, and honestly I don't see why it's no less academic than any other individual like an archaeologist. And there are, of course, archaeologists who believe the Bible and do their work to prove that the Bible is accurate. Is your definition of academia someone who doesn't believe the Bible? Why can't an academic person believe the Bible? Is the concept of God only for idiots? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 15:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-14T15:35:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:35:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T13:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:39:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Honestly, though, I'm tired of this discussion. If that's what you guys want, go ahead and keep the current material. But I think we ought to keep in mind that whether you're a Christian or not, the Bible has a lot of valid points, is well-written, and shouldn't just be trashed and called a bunch of lies. My interest on WP is to contribute, not to get into religious debates, so again I'd rather just contribute in places where this doesn't happen. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 15:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-14T15:39:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:39:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T17:03:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
One more thing: speaking of prophecies going right or wrong, Daniel 8:14 is a good example of one that I think was accurate despite being about an event far in the future. "After 2,300 days (years) the sanctuary shall be cleansed." 500 BC - AD 1800. AD 1800 marked the most important Christian reform and revival since the Protestant reformation. It was also approximately when Mormonism and Millerism were founded. But again, I'm not really interested. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-14T17:03:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T17:03:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T15:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T17:07:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T17:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
We go by what is academic learning (WP:CHOPSY). If we would consider the Bible a WP:RS, then somebody else would want the Koran to be a WP:RS, somebody else the Book of Mormon or the writings of Rudolf Steiner or Aleister Crowley. As a religiously neutral encyclopedia we cannot discriminate against cults/religions. Christianity is not more objectively true than Wicca and Santeria. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T17:07:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-14T17:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T22:22:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T17:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
I agree. But therefore we should respect Christianity like we should respect all other religions. We shouldn't be writing about it in an offensive, exclusive manner, for those reasons. On relevant issues we should state the views of Bible-believing Christians as we would for Koran-believing Muslim, and Book of Mormon-believing Mormons, etc. I think throughout the Bible you see many things be accurate but I see many valid points on the other side(s) as well; I think all should be stated. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T22:22:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T22:22:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T17:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T22:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. All we do here is cite, summarize, and paraphraseprofessionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, without addition, nor commentary. We're not a directory, nor a forum, nor a place for you to "spread the word". About rendering subjective beliefs as subjective beliefs, i.e. attributed to those who hold such beliefs, see above. Your theology ain't fact, it is just a bunch of subjective beliefs. We don't offend any religion by telling them their beliefs are subjective, since holding subjective beliefs is not something to be ashamed of. We do not treat subjective belief as if objectively true. We call a spade, a spade. Archaeology and the Book of Mormon does not pander to piety. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:05, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T22:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:15:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z","c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:23:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
How’s that relevant to my statement above? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T23:15:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:15:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
PS, not to be blunt but doesn’t your user page statement about “not wanting to be associated with the absurdities of the Bible” show POV pushing? Thanks for any answer, not trying to be mean, just making a debate point. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T23:23:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:23:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:28:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
When facts accepted by mainstream historians and archaeologists contradict the Bible, facts win and we do not hide it from our readers. We are biased for mainstream history and mainstream archaeology. We do not start from the assumption that the Bible would be true. We are biased for the Bible scholarship taught at Ivy Plus and state universities, but not for the Bible scholarship taught at Moody Bible Institute and Wheaton. For Wikipedia biblical inerrancy is a WP:FRINGE belief, and fideist scholars are rejected out of hand. Wikipedia renders evolution as true science and Young Earth Creationism as pseudoscience. For us what Ivy Plus teach as fact, it is a fact. What Young Earth creationists teach is by default suspect. We are dedicated to mainstream science, not to fideism. Yes. We are biased. About my page: I have my own subjective beliefs as every other person has. Attacking historical criticism is futile: it is taught at Ivy Plus, so it wins inside Wikipedia by default. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-18T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:28:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-18T23:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:10:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
I’m not trying to be some “Bible warrior”. Let me be clear, and you can check this, that I am a cross wiki contributor. Therefore, nowadays I’m not a single purpose account or interested in debates unless it’s a must. I’m more interested in doing administrative work at Wikivoyage, rather than this. I have combated vandals and finished deletion requests. That is what I know and prefer. On Wikipedia I see npov as reason to state all sides of an argument. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:10:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:10:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-18T23:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
WP:DUE, WP:RNPOV and WP:NOTNEUTRAL never said that subjective opinion would be presented as equal to objective fact. We are biased for evolution and against creationism, because this is the way science is (see [2]). We are merely a mirror of mainstream science, mainstream scholarship and mainstream press. Neutral descriptions of Christian dogmas are welcome, but we never conflate religious dogma with scientific fact. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:21:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z","c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:25:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
(ec) Well, it's good now to be on a better device. My point is this: your version of academic bias is taken too far and therefore does not mix well with npov. I'm just a (sort-of, ha ha) normal wiki contributor/administrator (though not an admin on Wikipedia) who has a set of views that don't always match that of others. I'm not a new account; I participate in page move votes, Meta-Wiki stuff, Wikivoyage policy discussions, etc. Unfortunately, I find that I have too many of my own views, which go against at least some of those put forth by Fundamentalists and Athiests, the American right-wing or left-wing, and on the list goes, to clearly identify with a group. It's often not to my advantage. For example, I think Darwin made some great pioneering discoveries, but his views were applied to far. I think Fundamentalist Christianity had good roots but over time has largely become too cut off from the real world (that is, the physical). But, that's enough of my own opinions.
(ec) The point I'm trying to make is that, as I understand it, your main goal at this wiki is to stop individuals from changing articles they see as biased, but you (and probably most of Wikipedia) sees as good standard. Generally, I've got nothing against that. But I think a weighting of 70% Atheist academics and 30% religious academics is a better balance than leaning towards 100% Atheist (as in, Ivy Plus) academics. The point is, it's not all of Wikipedia against me. We're all working together to make a good encyclopedia, and I'm fully in support of the goal. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:21, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:21:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:21:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Responding to your latest comment, I don't think subjective opinion should be considered equal to objective fact. I never said that was my view. The debate here is not over evolution; it's about Daniel. I think we ought to include that some individuals believe Daniel was written before the 4rd century BC because that is, well, what they think. I'm not saying we should endorse that view, because we're neutral. I'm saying we should include that view. There's a difference. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:25:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:25:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:28:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Check out this source: [3]. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:28:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:28:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:53:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
You're wrong that they're atheists. Bible scholarship is dominated by Christians, a low percentage are Jews and only a handful of Bible scholars are agnostics or atheists. Which is a source of endless bickering at Talk:Christ myth theory. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T00:53:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Sorry, but without sources from both sides, I can’t believe that. But anyway, getting back on topic more, hope you don’t mind discussing this, just want to make clear (not to boast) that I’m an experienced wiki user and not a Bible fanatic. What do think of the source though? With it could the new content be added to the article? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:57, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T00:57:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:57:00.000Z-A_summary_of_site_policies_and_guidelines_you_may_find_useful","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T01:02:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
A viewpoint which is controversial needs high quality sources. I suggest citing Daniel B. Wallace or someone like him. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T01:02:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T01:02:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T00:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:53:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T01:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
Well, if he’s a scholar of the New Testament, then he’s not really going to be of much help. The Bible.org source was by a theologian, David Malick, and his details are found on that website. So does that work? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T01:53:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:53:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T01:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:56:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
To quote Bible.org, “Malick received a Masters of Theology in Bible Exposition, with honors, from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1984. In 2003, he earned his Juris Doctorate, magna cum laude, from Capital University Law School, where he received the Order of the Curia. He has engaged in post-graduate studies at Dallas Theological Seminary, Chicago Theological Seminary, and McMaster Divinity College.” So for clarity the source is https://bible.org/article/introduction-book-daniel. Acceptable? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T01:56:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:56:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
I don't know. Self-published sources (WP:SPS) are in low regard, with the possible exception of the blog posts of full professors, but even those don't beat print-published research (peer-reviewed or from reputable academic presses). Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T01:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:35:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z","c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:37:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
I don’t think it’s his website, though; I speculate that it’s a website that hires several individuals to write for them. I’ll check. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T02:35:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:35:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Yes, a quick research of the website looks like it has multiple (as in, at least 5, probably a lot more) individuals involved in the project. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T02:37:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:37:00.000Z-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:55:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Let me tell you something: here I am not concerned with small nuances. My wiki-specialism are gross violations (i.e. what does appear gross to Wikipedia insiders and which admins usually admit it's gross). So, if you do not grossly violate our norms and values, I will let others nitpick about your edits. I repeat my advice: use high-quality sources. Sources which editors cannot easily claim that they come from WP:RANDY. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:55, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-19T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Tgeorgescu","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tgeorgescu-2019-04-19T02:55:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-04-19T02:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Done, I've copied in the new text; thanks for letting me know. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:36, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-07-07T19:36:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2019-07-07T19:36:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2019-07-07T19:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Anomalocaris-2019-07-08T03:34:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2019-07-07T19:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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@MrX: Okay, thanks for letting me know. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:42, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-04-30T14:42:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-04-30T14:42:00.000Z-MrX-2020-04-30T12:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Could you please clarify (in your own words) what I did wrong? Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-21T21:43:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:43:00.000Z-MrX-2020-05-21T21:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:48:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
@MrX: Ah, I see, I wasn’t ranting. I can see that “arbitrarily” could come across the wrong way, but my point is that there isn’t a rationale not to include the information. It’s a strong opinion, but nevertheless it shouldn’t be deleted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-21T21:48:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:48:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:58:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
@MrX: I think I deserve a more personalized response after I have both explained the edit and remove words that could be considered troubling. Please pardon the fact that I’m somewhat disappointed the way Sanders has been unfairly excluded from this nomination, and the lack of action taken to address the genuine allegations (whether true or not). --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-21T21:58:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:58:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-MrX-2020-05-22T00:17:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
I suggest not referring to other editors as POV pushers, or characterizing them as arbitrary. Stick to comments about how to improve article content by proposing material, with sources, or suggesting rewording, restructuring, better templates, etc. I happen to be huge Sanders fan myself, and I have been long before he ran for president. I'm not crazy about Biden, but I want to make sure that we don't overload his biography with recent controversy. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intentions, but the IP you responded to will likely never stick around to improve the article, so feeding their discord is of no real value. - MrX 🖋00:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-22T00:17:00.000Z","author":"MrX","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MrX-2020-05-22T00:17:00.000Z-SelfieCity-2020-05-21T21:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2020-05-22T00:39:00.000Z-MrX-2020-05-22T00:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for the reply. I understand the point but probably will focus on other WMF projects tor a bit. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-22T00:39:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-05-22T00:39:00.000Z-MrX-2020-05-22T00:17:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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I semi-protected because you raised concerns of possible abuse from others. If you want it to not be semi-protected I can undo my semi-protection. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 12:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-10T12:51:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-08-10T12:51:00.000Z-Prompri-2020-08-10T12:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Many thanks. The information indexed in search engine, had my wikipedia username appeared there.
I din't know that the welcome message was the default user talk page state, but I dont see why blanking my user talk page would violate any civility, your message didn't appeared to be any warning as the_dog2 said, rather it seemed like friendly advice, not something as 'order or prohibition' 'talk page edits were weird' there's guidelines that I can blank my page, which I cited in the main post. 'why not keep a message' which appeared as 'optional' opinion to me, you may prefer.
I just blanked the page, and didn't trigger any deletion syntax related admin summoning. I dint see any reason for my ban for theses issues.
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I did replied to selfiecity's message in a short and quick reply, after that I blanked my user talk page. also didnt know the welcome page shouldnt be deleted, there are should have been autobot set up for the task.
anw, thanks, selfiecity, please keep the user talk page semi-locked like before, as long as auto-confirmed user included me.
sorry, for wasting your time on me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prompri (talk • contribs) 13:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-10T13:30:00.000Z","author":"Prompri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prompri-2020-08-10T13:30:00.000Z-need_clarification_of_semi-lock_and_ban","replies":["c-SelfieCity-2020-08-10T14:08:00.000Z-Prompri-2020-08-10T13:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
OK, cool. I think it must have just been a misunderstanding. I can unblock your account if that hasn't already been done, then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-10T14:08:00.000Z","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-2020-08-10T14:08:00.000Z-Prompri-2020-08-10T13:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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{{re|SunDawn}} Thank you! --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230612221600","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20230612221600-SunDawn-20230117032400","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Caught by a web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. My IP address is 167.71.174.65. Impacted by 167.71.0.0/16. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230612012700","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20230612012700-IP_address_request","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Cia SelfieCity; Thanks for your help in the Semi-Protected Edit Request for the article Jazz to include a reference to Shep Fields. When you have some extra time, you might also enjoy taking a look at the Semi-Protected Edit Request for Jazz to include a link for Guy Lombardo. His "sweet jazz" concerts and Big band remote broadcasts from the Roosevelt Hotel (New York)Waldorf Astoria Hotel spanned over five decades and remained popular with audiences both in the USA and internationally for decades while promoting peace and understanding which transcended racial boundaries. His band was even one of Louis Armstrong's favorites. See the talk page on Jazz for additional details and reference citations. Enjoy & Happy New Year! 160.72.80.178 (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)NHPL[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231203191400","author":"160.72.80.178","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-160.72.80.178-20231203191400-Re:_Semi-Protected_Edit_Request_for_Jazz_to_included_a_reference_to_Guy_Lombardo","replies":[]}}-->
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That's okay. I uploaded it by mistake. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231220023100","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20231220023100-B-bot-20231219183000","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Thank you! Same to you! Working on the biographies and albums of Fats Navarro and Bud Powell today. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231223222000","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20231223222000-Dantus21-20231223221600","replies":["c-Dantus21-20231223223000-SelfieCity-20231223222000"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Thank you! --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231223232300","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20231223232300-Dantus21-20231223223000","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Hello, I'm sorry about this. I was going to do the full article like the others I've done, and then I got busy with other things and didn't have time to finish it off. However, I'll get to work on it as soon as I can and make it a decent article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240107003400","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240107003400-Raydann-20240107003200","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Thank you for the additions from old editions of DownBeat. It's better to use Cite magazine than Cite news for it. I've updated this in a couple of places (Glass Enclosure and Jutta Hipp). EddieHugh (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240114173700","author":"EddieHugh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EddieHugh-20240114173700-DownBeat","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240114191100-EddieHugh-20240114173700"]}}-->
@EddieHugh: Thanks for letting me know. I didn't realize the magazine template existed. Do I need to be in source mode to add these citations? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240114191100","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240114191100-EddieHugh-20240114173700","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240114193600-SelfieCity-20240114191100"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Ah, I see now. Thanks again for the help. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240114193600","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240114193600-SelfieCity-20240114191100","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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Thanks for letting me know. If this category is unnecessary, I have no concerns with its deletion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240121194000","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240121194000-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240121091700","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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I have turned this article into a redirect to the relevant section at Bud Powell discography. Unfortunately, I could not find any source besides the Penguin Guide covering this album in my search, so it fails WP:NALBUM. Cheers, Mach61 (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218193700","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mach61-20240218193700-Return_to_Birdland,_64","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240218194800-Mach61-20240218193700"]}}-->
I believe these recordings are discussed in the book Dance of the Infidels. Could we restore the article and add information from that source? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218194800","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240218194800-Mach61-20240218193700","replies":["c-Mach61-20240218195000-SelfieCity-20240218194800"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Feel free to revert my redirection and add the source whenever you want to (go to Special:History/Return to Birdland, 64 to avoid the redirect) Mach61 (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218195000","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mach61-20240218195000-SelfieCity-20240218194800","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240220011700-Mach61-20240218195000"]}}-->
Thank you. I've added the source and another paragraph. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240220011700","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240220011700-Mach61-20240218195000","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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@Esculenta: Wonderful! Thank you for reviewing this article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 20:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240312205900","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240312205900-Esculenta-20240312204300","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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@Mach61: Thank you! I've really enjoyed focusing on an article and bringing it to this level. I'm glad to see someone writing an article about Joel Ross, by the way. Great vibe player. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240312232700","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240312232700-Mach61-20240312213400","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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So, as a new page patroller, I've been seeing short articles for Powell compositions written by you pop up. I've approved these, and have no intention of nominating them for deletion or whatnot. However, I think it may be ideal to place most of Category:Compositions by Bud Powell in a list article. This is based off what happened at List of compositions by Thelonious Monk, where a bunch of short articles about compositions were redirected to entries in the list, as described at the talk page. No actual information loss should occur, just the text being relocated to a new place. What do you think? Mach6115:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321151500","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mach61-20240321151500-Turn_List_of_compositions_by_Bud_Powell_into_a_blue_link?","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240322213300-Mach61-20240321151500"]}}-->
Hello, and thanks for the suggestion. I am not opposed to this, but I would note that we don't do it for many other jazz composers and some of these articles could possibly be expanded in longer standalone articles. For example John Coltrane's compositions such as Mr. P.C. are all described separately, as are the compositions of Charlie Parker, even though the articles for some of his own compositions are short. Also, a lot of wikilink would need to be redirect to the title.
I actually have one question. There is a sheet music book published by Hal Leonard, titled The Bud Powell Real Book. Could I cite this when discussing song form? It is a very reliable source on the issue of chord changes, etc. which I have used often myself when learning tunes on the piano. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240322213300","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240322213300-Mach61-20240321151500","replies":["c-Mach61-20240323044600-SelfieCity-20240322213300"],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
Please do cite that. Actually, I would like to try out a new table format, seen at User:Mach61/monk, for which a fake book would be an ideal source (supplementing text sources, of course). Will create a draft soon and share it with you Mach6104:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323044600","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mach61-20240323044600-SelfieCity-20240322213300","replies":["c-SelfieCity-20240323203900-Mach61-20240323044600"]}}-->
Cool. I think a good compromise here would be to have a list article with very basic information about each song, with links to articles for those compositions that need them. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 20:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323203900","author":"SelfieCity","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SelfieCity-20240323203900-Mach61-20240323044600","replies":[],"displayName":"Selfie City"}}-->
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