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Hey,
I would appreciate your insight about the end date of the Assyrian Empire. As far as i know, the Asyrians were defeated by the combined armies of the Babylonians and the Medes at the battle of Nineveh, in 612 BC, then, a certain Ashur-Uballit II ascended the throne at Harran, but was defeated by the same Medo-Babylonian coalition in 610 BC and thus, escaped with the remnants of his army to the Egyptian city of Karkemish. At this point, i.e. after the fall of Harran, Assyria was no longer a state entity and as such, already destroyed, the final attempt to reconquer Harran (in 609 BC) was in fact made by a stateless king with the help of the Egyptian troops. That being said, shouldn't we put the end date of the Assyrian Empire at 610 BC instead of 609 BC ? Thanks in advance for your help. Best.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)00:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-01T00:13:00.000Z","author":"Wikaviani","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:13:00.000Z-Your_input","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:40:00.000Z-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Wikaviani: Several sources (A Companion to Assyria: p. 192; The Cambridge Ancient History "The fall of Assyria (635–609 B.C.)"; Encyclopaedia Britannica "The Median army took part in the final defeat of the Assyrians in northern Mesopotamia (612–609) and, when the territory of Assyria was divided between Media and Babylonia, Media took Assyria with Harran.) seem to state that Harlan was besieged in 610 but only actually fell in 609; for most ancient and classical civilizations a premium is placed upon a capital city being lost and never recovered, much as the Byzantine Empire is considered "dead" in 1453, even as rump states, like the Principality of Theodoro lived on for another quarter century. IMO the 609 dating is appropriate if most sources state that 609 was the downfall of Harran. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum00:40, 1 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-01T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:40:00.000Z-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:48:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks very much for your reply. So, if i get you well, we can consider that the Neo-Asyyrian Empire was dead after the fall of Harran (and thus not only after the siege of Harran) ? The sources you mentioned support that Harran fell in 610 BC, the 609 BC date was that of an Egypto-Assyrian attempt to reconquer the city.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-01T00:48:00.000Z","author":"Wikaviani","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:48:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:59:00.000Z-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes; while the Assyrians weren't in a fantastic place in 610 when the siege began, they only "died" as a country in 609 when the capital actually fell. The citations are used to support the statement around Harran which finally fell in 609 BC. as well as The same year, Ashur-uballit II besieged Harran with the help of the Egyptian army,; the sources cited there mention the second part but not the first, but not to the exclusion of 609 as the date Harran actually fell. The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem: Judah Under Babylonian Rule p.19 states that the Babylonian/Mede siege began in Winter 610, and ended in early 609 with Babylonian victory. It seems odd that sources don't mention the date the city fell directly, but the sources as are don't contradict the 610 siege and 609 actual fall dating. I'd say work should be done to explain this in articles surrounding the issue and on the Assyria page itself, but it does appear that the siege began in 610, and Harran and the Assyrian Empire fell in 609. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum00:59, 1 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-01T00:59:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:59:00.000Z-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T00:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T01:08:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you very much for your time and precious insight. I'll make some further research in order to edit the relevant articles and make them clearer for our readers. Wish you a great rest of your day.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)01:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-01T01:08:00.000Z","author":"Wikaviani","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wikaviani-2020-05-01T01:08:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-01T00:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi. As you know, we spoke a while back about you adopting me on a semi-official basis. based on that, could you please have a look around WP:History, and let me know what you think of it? I would welcome any input. by the way, I also have mentor/mentee relationship with user CaptainEek as well. however, based on my current role at that WikiProject, I would be glad to seek input from multiple individuals. and since you said that your particular interest here is history, I thought it might be worthwhile to at least initiate this topic for some general possible discussion. please feel free to take a look around. since you edit in this area, is there anything you would like to see added there? or also, are there any ideas, editing activities, possible group efforts, etc, that you might like to bring up on the talk page?? Please feel free to express any thoughts, input, etc to me that you may have. If you reply here, please ping me. thanks! ---Sm8900★ 🌎 03:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-06T03:56:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-06T03:56:00.000Z-Note_re_possible_topics_for_input","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-06T14:16:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-06T03:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Sm8900: It looks like you've done a fantastic job. I don't have any real input in particular, but I will comment that WP:H is mostly inactive these days, as the active people generally focus their attention upon specified topics; I for instance edit almost exclusively about Roman and Byzantine people, mostly emperors. That said, it could be brought back. I wish you luck with the endeavor and kudos on the work. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum14:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-06T14:16:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-06T14:16:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-06T03:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-06T15:19:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-06T14:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
thanks so much!! based on that could I please make you my official mentor? I am in need of one. we can approach this collaboration in any way you like. but yes, this would be an official full-fledged mentorship. I hope that's okay? thanks so much!! ---Sm8900★ 🌎 15:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-06T15:19:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-06T15:19:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-06T14:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-06T15:42:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-06T15:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
Certainly. I'd be happy to. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum15:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-06T15:42:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-06T15:42:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-06T15:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T01:33:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-06T15:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
that's truly terrific. thanks so much!! that will be very helpful. I will be glad to approach you from time to time, at periodic intervals, just to let you know what I happen to be up to, and to get any advice, feedback, or input that you may have. to begin with, the page for WP:History was the main page that I wanted you to look over and to review, so I'm glad that we covered that right at the outset. the page itself is highly stable; I don't really edit there a lot, as I would rather create a collaborative environment there. So I have been mostly leaving the project page alone recently.
however, as you can see, I did set up a few sections, features, structures, etc there, just to make the page more inviting and more accessible to all. for instance, I moved the list of members for all working groups and task forces out to the main project page. basically, the projects itself is partially inactive. it functions mainly as a forum for occasional talk page posts and discussions, but that's about it. so the working groups themselves overall have basically no members. however, by posting this members lists more publicly, I wanted to encourage any visitors to join up more readily, if they wish to do so.
as far as my other editing activities, I have provided a list of links below, just of some items I have been working on recently, as well as some items that I worked on more in the past than I do currently. it so happens that I was just mentioning this data to another editor here, so this list is copied and pasted largely from my discussion with them at their talk page. anyway, you are welcome to look aver any of these that you may wish, and to share any comments, feedback or ideas that you may have. alternately, if you don't have any comments, that's totally fine as well. I am just providing this information, just to give you brief initial capsule overview of sorts, just to let you know some of the areas that I have worked on over the years. I really appreciate your openness to a working dialogue. thanks!!
current.
2020s in political history. I have tried to create a whole new type of article with this entry. basically, I feel that Wikipedia could benefits by finding some news ways to cover contemporary history, with as much breadth and depth as we have always covered past history. in that vein, here are some other articles that I have created that are actually good examples of this, as these articles have been embraced by various groups of editors, and have been the subject of edits and updates by a diverse groups of editors.
also, here is another set of articles that I initiated. this series of articles had originally been created prior to any efforts of mine. however, they had fallen into disuse. I came along and re-established the article for 2018, which had just been a redirect, and then created the subsequent articles for 2019 and 2020. so far, these seem to be doing okay.
also, here are some past articles that I worked on, of which I'm particularly proud. I created these articles, and filled in the data as best as I could. some of the broader topics below have since been edited by a multitude of editors, of course.
well, that's about it for now. Just thought I'd give you a brief nutshell look at some of my activities here. if you want to discuss any of the above, feel free to do so. And yes, I am always open to input. I appreciate all your help . thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 01:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T01:33:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T01:33:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-06T15:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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hey, since you are already a coordinator at WP:MILHIST, would you be interested in helping out and taking on some role at WP:History? the truth is that your knowledge of editing and historical topics is probably greater than my own. we could make you a coordinator at WP:History. this would not entail any time commitment on your part; you do not need to run the WikiProject in any way, or maintain the page, unless you want to. your main role there would be to be available to any editors who might happen by with specific questions, requests, ideas, etc etc.
the project itself is semi-inactive; our main role is to serve as a talk page and forum for editors who occasionally happen to come by, with various individual questions, requests, ideas, etc etc, of their own, that they might wish to discuss briefly.
the wikiproject can only increase its credibility if we involve more highly-experienced, knowledgable editors like you. If you wish, we could create a task force there for the general area of Military History, and make you the Coordinator for that Task Force. I could post a talk page notice to let people know, and ask for group support for this. there are some people who occasionally disagree with some aspects of my approach to project organization here. by adding a highly credible editor like yourself, we could vastly increase the usefulness, credibility, and broad role for WP:History.
anyway, if you are not sure about adopting this idea, feel free to look around, and think on your own about any role that you might wish to have. I am sure the whole editing community would benefit from any role that you might wish to take on there. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T13:12:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T13:12:00.000Z-Idea_for_WP_roles","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-08T17:53:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-08T13:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Sm8900: I think the project coordinator thing is a good idea, but I will add that such roles are usually elected. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum17:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-08T17:53:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-08T13:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T18:11:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-08T17:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
sure, I understand. basically, due to the fact that the WikiProject is inactive, I voilunteered myself to be a Lead Coordinator there. I got messages of support from several people, and no one objected. and based on that, since the project itself is inactive, I have leaned towards a collaborative model for the project as a whole as much as possible. that is why I made it easier for any individuals to add themselves to any teams, task forces or working groups that they may wish.
if you wish, and if you are interested in this role, then I would suggest that you simply go to the project talk page, introduce yourself, explain your current experiences and your current role at WP:MILHIST, and then tell them that you received a suggestion from me, that you become one of the project coordinators there. you can allow some time to go by if you wish, just to see what response you get, and if anyone objects. and based on that, if no one objects after some reasonable time period, then you can take a role there as project coordinator. I hope that sounds okay? you are free to phrase this any way you wish, or to adopt any other steps that you might prefer. feel free to let me know.
by the way, I consider WP:MILHIST to be the most similar and the mostly closely aligned with WP:History. the reason is simple; due to its very nature, military history intrinsically and inherently covers all eras, all societies, all civilizations, all nations, and all cultural and ethnic groups throughout all of human history. it basically almost as comprehensive as general history itself. so anyone who is a coordinator at MILHIST can probably play a positive role at WP:History as well. so that is why I would be very open to and interested in involving you there, in any role thaat you may wish.
does that sound ok? if so, how do you wish to proceed? feel free to let me know, or alternately, to indicate here any steps you may prefer, or that you deem to be worthwhile for this process. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T18:11:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-08T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-08T18:36:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-08T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Sm8900: I'll make a post on the talk page. One piece of advice: try to make one edit on someone's talk page when leaving a message instead of multiple; the notifications system automatically alerts people to every edit on their talk page, so it can spam it up quite a bit if you leave a series of edits. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum18:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T18:36:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-08T18:36:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-08T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Re your post, that’s great. Thanks!! Re the multiple edits, that is a good point. I’ll try to be more careful. Thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 21:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-08T21:58:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-08T21:58:00.000Z-Idea_for_WP_roles","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi. could you please take a look at this article, when you have a chance? The article is: 2020s in political history. As you can see, this article is one that I have created, in the hopes of providing it as a way for Wikipedia to continuously provide an overview and a chronicle of contemporary history, as events happen. so far, the Wikipedia community seems to have accepted this new type of article for the most part. I would like to do everything I can to make sure this article is formatted logically, and can continue to develop and to be updated periodically.
If you have ideas or comments on the format used, or the content, or the basic article structure, feel free to let know. obviously I am hoping that new articles continue to be created on this basis, for each successive decade as time passes. so that is one reason that I would welcome any input on this. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 12:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-10T12:14:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-10T12:14:00.000Z-article_to_take_a_look_at","replies":[]}}-->
Hi, I suddenly find myself with a lot of free time, and I want to become more adept at Wikipedia contributing. My interests are mostly around business history and military history. I have no experience or skills in coding, but I do have a journalism degree from a "prestigious" program. Thanks in advance, I have a lot of questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davetheirishguy (talk • contribs) 18:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-12T18:57:00.000Z","author":"Davetheirishguy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Davetheirishguy-2020-05-12T18:57:00.000Z-\"adoptee\"","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:10:00.000Z-Davetheirishguy-2020-05-12T18:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Davetheirishguy: I'd be delighted. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum20:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-12T20:10:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:10:00.000Z-Davetheirishguy-2020-05-12T18:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi Iazyges! Okay, I have a number of basic questions that I would like to ask your help with. hopefully, I can learn a lot from you about these topics, and increase my knowledge over time.
I notice that you have edited a number of articles pertaining to ancient history, including various rulers, as well as other historical topics. I have very little experience with editing this area, and would like to learn more. How are you able to edit this area? In other words, how do you perform the basic research needed? I do not have any particular expertise with these areas of history, so generally I leave this to those who are knowledgeable. I am eager to learn some of the basics though.
Okay, so where do you acquire your basic knowledge on this topic as a whole, and what are some of the correct or effective ways to do research in areas of ancient history? or similarly, other past eras like medieval times, etc? do you have a shelf full of in-depth historical books and other works? or do you simply utilize online electronic resources; if so which ones? by the way, do you have some sort of professional training in this area; in other words, are you an educator or researcher, or alternately, do you have formal training in history? (I hope you don't mind me asking.
I hope you will pardon these basic questions. there are some areas of history where I feel very comfortable, and others where I would like to just learn the basics. when it comes to modern history, research seems easy enough; there are numerous online digital archives that provide knowledge on historical figures of modern times. when it comes to ancient times, I am a bit in awe of the editors who display such knowledge and erudition in these areas. Someone had to write articles on topics like ancient Greece, Babylonia, Sumer, etc etc. I am sure I could write an article with a basic average understanding of these topics. but I would like to know how the people who habitually edit these areas are able to do so. Are they all utilizing a collection of scholarly historical books that delve into these areas? Or are there online resources for these eras that are fully sufficient for in-depth research? Or generally, is it usually better if editors of these topics have already received some formal academic training on these topics, in order to approach them sufficiently in-depth?
I truly admire the numerous well-written articles on Wikipedia on these scholarly topics. I know someone had to write these articles; I simply want to learn more about how they were generally able to do so. any information that you can provide will be greatly appreciated. As the lead coordinator, my goal is to get WP:History moving again. since I do not have any major expertise in these areas, perhaps the best and most beneficial role for me is from the opposite perspective; I can speak for all the editors who approach this area with a desire to learn more and to help to edit, but would like to gain some knowledge before doing so. Once you and I have set up a dialogue to help me increase my knowledge, perhaps we will set up some resources at the WikiProject to provide some similar information, including perhaps an FAQ, in order to help any editors who similarly wish to increase their basic knowledge on the right way to approach these topical areas. I appreciate any help that you could provide. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 12:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-10T12:12:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-10T12:12:00.000Z-some_basic_questions","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:15:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-10T12:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Sm8900: It really depends; I can really only give answers for the Roman and Byzantine parts because I don't edit much at all in other periods. I have several books on the subject of Roman and Byzantine history; I also use JSTOR for more information; often you can find a significant amount of information from simply using google books. I don't have any professional training on the subject, I'm a Sophmore in college majoring in Accounting and Finance. A FAQ page sounds like a great idea. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum20:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-12T20:15:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:15:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-10T12:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-13T16:53:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
HI Iazyges. ok, that is really good to know. and also, very impressive!! if you're a college sophomore now, then were you in high school when you became a coordinator? I assume you were. that is truly impressive. I'd be interested to hear more about that sometime. perhaps I may email you sometime, just to ask about some details, and let you know some details about my own experiences. I'm very glad to hear that.
re your historical work, that is very helpful. this is helping me to understand the editing and research process a little better. what you wrote above is very helpful to me. that is very interested. okay, so another question I had was;
how do you find the articles in need of editing? do you simply review them one by one, or do you have some systematic method?
re your work in that historical era, it seems highly impressive. I had a look at some of your article links. you really have some extensive experience, which will be really valuable.
also, I notice that you have major experience with article improvement and review. based on that, perhaps we could make you the head of those departments at WP:History? you would not need to do ANY additional work. the truth is.... you are ALREADY working extensively in that area!! so based on that, the whole project might benefit from you taking that role.
I am going to allow seven days to elapse from the date that you stated your desire to serve as a coordinator there. After that, I expect to be able to add you as a coordinator. I have a few other ideas on some directions for the WikiProject to go in. I will be glad to b in touch with you about any and all ideas where we might move ahead. I appreciate all your input. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-13T16:53:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-13T16:53:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-12T20:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-13T16:57:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-13T16:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Sm8900: Most of the articles I edit are Roman or Byzantine emperors or people related to them. I tend to randomly pick which emperor I feel like working on, to be fully honest. Let me know how I can help. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum16:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-13T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-13T16:57:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-13T16:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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You probably know this already, but these can be tagged for speedy deletion under U5. When reviewing spam logs, I found there'd been a couple ones that you had blanked under NOTWEBHOST. Best, SpencerT•C20:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-18T20:14:00.000Z","author":"Spencer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spencer-2020-05-18T20:14:00.000Z-RE:_NOTWEBHOST","replies":[]}}-->
Hi! Okay, time to move ahead with things. I will be adding you officially as a coordinator at WP:History today. After that, I will have a few items relating to this project to discuss with you. for the time being, we can discuss some topics here at your talk page, just to make things easier. however, we will have some discussions at the talk page for the project itself, to make it more visible for others. when I do that, I will usually ping you during the discussion, to let you know whenever there is a comment or question there that is addressed to you. I appreciated your help. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-20T12:47:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-20T12:47:00.000Z-updates","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi! Okay, I have now added you. you are now a coordinator at WP:History. also you are now the sole member of the newly-restored working groups for article assessment, and for article review.
could you please go to the talk page at WP:History, and provide a brief introduction for your work here? or it can be lengthy, if you want. please feel free to tell them; a) what topics you have edited, b) your specific interests and work with ancient history topics. that is highly important. I really want to find ways to open that topic up for newcomers, and to use your existing editing skills and experience to help to shepherd others into finding ways to edit this topic in meaningful ways. c) your work and experience as a coordinator at Milhist. d) some of the things you've seen or learned about successful editing of history, through your role at Milhist. e) anything else you may choose, in order to enable the members to get to know you better, and to hear more about your editing approach.
I hope that sounds good. I'm looking forward to our future efforts. we can proceed incrementally, and step by step, but I think of a few ways that we can move ahead to help make wp:history more of a resource, slowly but surely. I truly appreciate your help, your knowledge, and your support. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-21T15:49:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-21T15:49:00.000Z-update_re_your_roles,_and_some_possible_steps","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-24T02:36:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-21T15:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
hi. could you please reply when you get a chance? I greatly appreciate it. you can feel free to let me know if you do or don't want to leave a note such as I have described above. if you prefer not to, that's totally fine; simply please let me know your preference, whenever you get a chance. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-24T02:36:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-24T02:36:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-21T15:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-24T05:41:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-24T02:36:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think I introduced myself pretty well when I put myself up for Coordinator candidacy; I don't think further introduction is necessary. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum05:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-24T05:41:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-24T05:41:00.000Z-Sm8900-2020-05-24T02:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sm8900-2020-05-24T13:28:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-24T05:41:00.000Z"]}}-->
Okay, that is totally fine. I'm very glad to have you there in that role now. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-24T13:28:00.000Z","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sm8900-2020-05-24T13:28:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-24T05:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Thank you for article improvements in May! - DYK our list of people for whose life I'm thankful enough to improve their articles? - I have a FAC open, one of Monteverdi's exceptional works, in memory of Brian who passed me his collected sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-17T20:33:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2020-05-17T20:33:00.000Z-May","replies":[]}}-->
today a composer pictured who wrote a triple concerto for violin, harp and double bass, in honour of the composer who died and my brother who plays double bass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-26T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2020-05-26T15:52:00.000Z-May","replies":[]}}-->
I've just completed my first ever GA review and would love to have someone far more experienced in GA than me take a look at it - if you have the time, would you mind looking it over and seeing if there's any pointers you can give me, or anything I've missed? I'd really appreciate the help!
Thanks so much, Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 20:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-25T20:31:00.000Z","author":"Naypta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Naypta-2020-05-25T20:31:00.000Z-GA_mentoring_request","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-25T21:19:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-05-25T20:31:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Naypta: You did a fine job; the only issue I see that wasn't addressed is that some of the collapsed Electoral History sections lack citations. I would also suggest to the nominator that they expand the lede section and that they archive the websites with the Wayback Machine. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum21:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-25T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-25T21:19:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-05-25T20:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Naypta-2020-05-25T22:45:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-25T21:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks so much, Iazyges - I really appreciate it! I didn't mention the lack of in-text citations for the collapsed sections because the information in them is technically cited elsewhere in the article (albeit to the same OurCampaigns.com source that I raised the concern about reliability of) - would it be necessary in this context to have them inline there? I didn't think on first glance it was required per WP:MINREF, although it was very frustrating reviewing it without them there, but I read a GA review guide that said not to bring that sort of personal preference up!Re expanding the lead, is that similarly apt for a GA review - or is that just a recommendation separate to the GA requirements? Just want to make sure I'm following the review guidance as best I can!Thanks again for your help, and for your amazingly fast response Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-25T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Naypta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Naypta-2020-05-25T22:45:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-25T21:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-26T05:58:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-05-25T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Naypta: It probably isn't strictly required for Minref for them to be cited, but this policy is a minimum standard for all articles, not the much more rigorous standards for GAN. I don't think there is a firm decision on exactly how much of the text needs to be cited, other than that scientific/math articles are exempt from in-line citations in certain places, but the opinion that all paragraphs/items should bear at least one citation seems to be acceptable and is the one I personally set stock in. Usually, if the sourcing of an uncited part is obvious I'll simply extend the citation myself. In this case, as the OurCampaigns source needs to be replaced, it seems to have some form of moderation, but it doesn't seem to pass the peer-review requirements.The lede length is subject to MOS:LEDE, and not strictly related to whether or not the article can pass GAN; although Good articles are supposed to be generally compliant to the MOS, there are some MOS guides so specific that most featured articles probably do not fully follow them. At 6,000 characters, one or two paragraphs is appropriate; the article would be fine to pass GAN without expanded lede, although it would probably do better for the article. Let me know if you have any more questions. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum05:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-26T05:58:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-26T05:58:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-05-25T22:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Yesterday, I wrote American Spaces and an editor slapped maintenance templates on it, which I think was unfair. I pinged them on the talk page to resolve it but the editor involved only edits a couple times a year and likely isn't going to be back. I have a DYK nom and a GA nom in process so I don't want these templates to cause a quickfail and I ought not be the one to remove these templates. I'd appreciate a third person to take a look at it and let me know what needs done. Chris Troutman (talk)01:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-26T01:39:00.000Z","author":"Chris troutman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chris_troutman-2020-05-26T01:39:00.000Z-got_hit_by_a_tag_bomber","replies":["c-Iazyges-2020-05-26T06:14:00.000Z-Chris_troutman-2020-05-26T01:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Chris troutman: Reviewed the article and I have to agree with you; I have removed the templates. The article seemed to cover the subject in a global sense about as well as it could considering that it is an American program, in spite of its global physical existence; it does a good job of covering the local politics of the locations about as well as it can without going off-topic, as far as I am concerned. I think the peacock template also makes little sense; the subject itself is essentially a soft-power projection exercise by and for the US Government, so that may have caused it, although the subject being inherently pro-American Government does not mean the article itself is; the articles makes no pretenses that the institutions are primarily focused on education, openly stating that their primary purpose. Wish you the best of luck with your DYK and GAN nominations. IazygesConsermonorOpus meum06:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-26T06:14:00.000Z","author":"Iazyges","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iazyges-2020-05-26T06:14:00.000Z-Chris_troutman-2020-05-26T01:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Chris_troutman-2020-05-26T13:52:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-26T06:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for your help! Chris Troutman (talk)13:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-26T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Chris troutman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chris_troutman-2020-05-26T13:52:00.000Z-Iazyges-2020-05-26T06:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Dụ ngôn Người Giàu Ngu dại của Chúa Giêsu được chép trong Phúc âm Lu-ca 12: 16-21. Nội dung “ Sau đó Người nói với họ dụ ngôn này: Có một nhà phú hộ kia, ruộng nương sinh nhiều hoa lợi, mới nghĩ bụng rằng: Mình phải làm gì đây? Vì còn chỗ đâu mà tích trữ hoa màu!. Rồi ông ta tự bảo: Mình sẽ làm thế này: phá những cái kho kia đi, xây những cái lớn hơn, rồi tích trữ tất cả thóc lúa v
اضغط هنا للاطلاع على كيفية قراءة التصنيف الفوليدوصورياتالعصر: الجوراسي الأوسط - الطباشيري المتأخر 167.7–89.3 مليون سنة قك ك أ س د ف بر ث ج ط ب ن حفرية فوليدوصور في متحف für Naturkunde ببرلين المرتبة التصنيفية فصيلة التصنيف العلمي المملكة: الحيوانات الشعبة: الحبليات الطائفة: الزو
Max Seckler Max Seckler (* 23. September 1927 in Westerhofen, damals Oberamt Ellwangen an der Jagst, heute Ostalbkreis, Baden-Württemberg) ist deutscher Theologe und emeritierter ordentlicher öffentlicher Professor für Fundamentaltheologie an der Universität Tübingen. Inhaltsverzeichnis 1 Leben 2 Werk 3 Schriften (Auswahl) 4 Literatur 5 Weblinks 6 Einzelnachweise Leben Nach Abschluss der durch Militärdienst und Kriegsgefangenschaft unterbrochenen Schulzeit in Stuttgart, Ellwangen, Aalen...
England cricket governing body England and Wales Cricket BoardLogo England and Wales Cricket BoardSportCricketJurisdictionNationalAbbreviationECBFounded1 January 1997 (1 January 1997)AffiliationInternational Cricket CouncilAffiliation date15 June 1909; 114 years ago (15 June 1909)Regional affiliationEuropean Cricket CouncilAffiliation date1997; 26 years ago (1997)LocationLord's Cricket Ground, London NW8ChairmanRichard ThompsonCEORichard GouldMen's coachBre...
تاريخ الأبجديةتاريخ الأبجديةأبجدية سينائية أولية 18 c. BCE أوغاريت 15 c. BCE فينيقية 12 c. BCE عبرية قديمة 10 c. BCE سومرية 6 c. BCE آرامية 8 c. BCE كتابة غراندهاري 6 c. BCE برهمية 6 c. BCE أبجدية برهمية عبرية 3 c. BCE بهلوية 3 c. BCE اويستا 4 c. CE أبجدية تدمرية 2 c. BCE سريانية 2 c. BCE سوغدية 2 c. BCE أورخون (تركية قديمة) ...
برج التحرير إحداثيات 29°22′06″N 47°58′30″E / 29.368277777778°N 47.974952777778°E / 29.368277777778; 47.974952777778 أسماء سابقة برج الكويت للإتصالات معلومات عامة الحالة اكتمل البناء الموقع مدينة الكويت - الكويت الدولة الكويت الارتفاع عن سطح الأرض 372 متر سنة التأسيس 1993 تاريخ ...
Subsecretaría de Agricultura de Chile Subsecretaría de Agricultura LocalizaciónPaís ChileInformación generalSigla SUBAGRIJurisdicción ChileTipo SubsecretaríaSede Teatinos 40, SantiagoOrganizaciónSubsecretaria Ignacia Fernández GaticaDepende de Ministerio de AgriculturaPresupuesto 65 533 721 miles de pesos chilenos (2020)[1]HistoriaFundación c. 1958Sitio web oficial[editar datos en Wikidata] La Subsecretaría de Agricultura de Chile (SUBAGRI) es la sub...
Type of interchange between highways and minor roads Antalyaspor Interchange of Antalya. The underpass serve the transit traffic of city center to Konyaaltı, while the upper part Dumlupınar Bulvarı and roundabout are maintained by General Directorate of Highways as D-400 Highway. The western entryway into Linköping, Sweden (a branch off the backbone E4 highway) passes on a bridge above this roundabout, which connects a national road and a local road into a residential area with ramps lead...
Season of television series The BlockSeason 9Country of originAustraliaNo. of episodes65ReleaseOriginal networkNine NetworkOriginal release27 July (2014-07-27) –12 October 2014 (2014-10-12)Season chronology← PreviousSeason 8Next →Season 10 The ninth season of Australian reality television series The Block, titled The Block: Glasshouse, premiered on Sunday, 27 July 2014 at 6:30pm on the Nine Network. Scott Cam (host) and Shelley Craft (Challenge Master) returned ...
Genus of brush-footed butterflies Fountainea Fountainea nobilis, ventral view Scientific classification Domain: Eukaryota Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Arthropoda Class: Insecta Order: Lepidoptera Family: Nymphalidae Tribe: Anaeini Genus: FountaineaRydon, 1971 Fountainea is a genus of Neotropical leaf butterflies. Their wing undersides usually mimic dead leaves. This genus honours Margaret Fountaine, a renowned entomologist. Species There are eight species in the genus: Fountainea centaurus (Feld...
Justo Pérez de Urbel Información personalNacimiento 8 de agosto de 1895Pedrosa de Río ÚrbelFallecimiento 29 de junio de 1979San Lorenzo de El EscorialNacionalidad EspañolaReligión Catolicismo EducaciónEducado en Universidad de Madrid Información profesionalOcupación Escritor, historiador y político Cargos ocupados Catedrático de universidadProcurador en Cortes (1943-1946)Procurador en Cortes (1946-1949)Procurador en Cortes (1949-1952)Procurador en Cortes (1952-1...
This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (August 2023) Logo of the project. TEB Family Academy (Turkish: TEB Aile Akademisi) is a social responsibility project, carried out by Türk Ekonomi Bankası (TEB) in order to raise financial literacy level of Turkish people. It was launched in October 2012. History The project was launched by Türk Ekonomi Bankası (TEB) in October 201...
Loi sur l'impôt sur les logements vides Données clés Présentation Titre Loi 14/2015, du 21 juillet, sur l'impôt sur les logements vides et de modification de normes fiscales et de la loi 3/2012 Référence 14/2015 Adoption et entrée en vigueur Régime Autonomique Législature Xe législature Adoption 8 juillet 2015 Promulgation 21 juillet 2015 Publication 23 juillet 2015 Entrée en vigueur 24 juillet 2015 Lire en ligne (ca) LLEI 14/2015, del 21 de juliol, de l'impost sobre els habitatge...
Emblem of the U.S.S.R. republic of Russia Emblem of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist RepublicVersions(1992–1993) ArmigerRussian Soviet Federative Socialist RepublicAdopted10 July 1918CrestRed starMottoПролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь! (Russian for: Workers of the world, unite!) The emblem of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) was adopted on 10 July 1918 by the government of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Sovie...
This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.Find sources: Castrillo de Riopisuerga – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (February 2013) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) Municipality and town in Castile and León, SpainCastrillo de RiopisuergaMunicipality and town SealCountrySpainAutonomous...
Major cardiothoracic teaching and tertiary referral hospital in Brisbane, Australia For the hospital of the same name in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, see Prince Charles Hospital. The Prince Charles Hospital Hospital in Queensland, AustraliaThe Prince Charles HospitalQueensland Health (Metro North Health)GeographyLocation627 Rode Rd, Chermside, Queensland, AustraliaCoordinates27°23′24″S 153°01′24″E / 27.3899°S 153.0234°E / -27.3899; 153.0234OrganisationCare system...
Tommy Schleh Información personalNacimiento 10 de diciembre de 1964 (58 años)Neckarbischofsheim (Alemania) Nacionalidad AlemanaInformación profesionalOcupación Disc-jockey y productor discográfico Sitio web klubbingman.de [editar datos en Wikidata] DJ Klubbingman (10 de diciembre de 1964, Neckarbischofsheim, Alemania) cuyo nombre original es Tommy Schleh, es un DJ alemán de estilo Eurodance, que forma parte de la banda Masterboy. Kinki palace Desde los 17 años ha trabajado co...
American singer (born 1979) Sara BareillesBareilles in 2015BornSara Beth Bareilles (1979-12-07) December 7, 1979 (age 44)Eureka, California, U.S.EducationUniversity of California, Los Angeles (BA)OccupationsSingersongwritermusicianactressYears active2002–presentPartner(s)Joe Tippett (2015–present; engaged)Musical careerGenresPoppop rocksoulInstrument(s)VocalspianoLabelsEpicWebsitewww.sarabmusic.com Musical artist Sara Beth Bareilles (/bəˈrɛlɪs/, bə-RELL-iss; born December 7...
1997 fantasy novel by J. K. Rowling This article is about the book. For the film, see Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film). For other uses, see Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (disambiguation). Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Cover for one of the earliest UK editionsAuthorJ. K. RowlingIllustratorThomas Taylor (first edition)CountryUnited KingdomLanguageEnglishSeriesHarry PotterRelease number1st in seriesGenreFantasySet inUnited KingdomPublisherBloomsbury...
American science and technology magazine Not to be confused with Scientific American.This article relies excessively on references to primary sources. Please improve this article by adding secondary or tertiary sources. Find sources: American Scientist – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (February 2023) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) American ScientistCover of the 2007 September–October issueEditor In ChiefFenella ...