Template talk:USBRT

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What is true BRT?

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This template is a good start... but the major problem is most of these lines are not "true" bus rapid transit, they are limited-stop bus routes with some bus rapid transit features.

Let's take Los Angeles for example... I think there is no argument that the Orange Line is "true" bus rapid transit. Metro Rapid on the other hand is at best a limited-stop bus routes, since the only bus rapid transit features it has is signal preemption and a prominent brand.

It's kind of like how trains are considered High-speed rail in the United States when they go faster than 109mph. In the global perspective (used by Wikipedia) that's not high-speed rail and that's why trains like the Lincoln Service are called higher-speed rail, despite the fact that it's called high-speed rail by the Illinois Department of Transportation.

I wonder if this chart should just list the systems that are true BRT and maybe some of the systems that are close (like SWIFT and Stockton Metro Express). --RickyCourtney (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-18T16:22:00.000Z","author":"RickyCourtney","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RickyCourtney-2014-12-18T16:22:00.000Z-What_is_true_BRT?","replies":["c-IJBall-2014-12-19T18:17:00.000Z-RickyCourtney-2014-12-18T16:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I concur, but the real dividing line is... messy. For example, I don't think San Diego's SuperLoop qualifies either (it certainly doesn't run in "dedicated lanes" for much, if any, of its route). OTOH, this template list is missing some entries, such as San Diego's Route 235 (and possibly Route 215) and the "Rapid Express" routes (though none of these have their own articles, I believe), which I think do qualify as "true" BRT. But figuring out where that "dividing line" for excluding systems from this list goes is going to be tricky... --IJBall (talk) 18:17, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-19T18:17:00.000Z","author":"IJBall","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-IJBall-2014-12-19T18:17:00.000Z-RickyCourtney-2014-12-18T16:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Flatiron Flyer ?

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Should Denver RTD's Flatiron Flyer be included in this template? It calls itself bus rapid transit. Jeffrey Beall (talk) 12:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T12:09:00.000Z","author":"Denverjeffrey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Denverjeffrey-2016-07-29T12:09:00.000Z-Flatiron_Flyer_?","replies":["c-RickyCourtney-2016-07-29T15:14:00.000Z-Denverjeffrey-2016-07-29T12:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jeffrey Beall"}}-->

The Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), a non-governmental non-profit organization that among other things focuses on developing bus rapid transit (BRT) systems has classified the Flatiron Flyer as "not bus rapid transit." In fact the ITDP urged RTD to stop calling it BRT. Here's a Denver Post article on ITDB's criticism. The ITDB said the Flatiron Flyer doesn't qualify due to its use of lanes shared with private cars along US 36, lack of level boarding/alighting and the lack of an off-board fare system. Despite RTD's defense that most US BRT system's don't meet the ITDB guidelines, I think that's a fair criticism. I don't really see Flatiron Flyer as BRT, it's a freeway express bus. --RickyCourtney (talk) 15:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T15:14:00.000Z","author":"RickyCourtney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RickyCourtney-2016-07-29T15:14:00.000Z-Denverjeffrey-2016-07-29T12:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Minnesota A Line

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The METRO system in Minnesota consists of 3 lines (Blue, Green, and Red). The A Line is not part of this system and is not mentioned anywhere on official pages discussing the METRO system. Likewise A Line pages do not have any references to METRO.

The A Line is operated by Metro Transit like the Green and Blue lines of the METRO system. The other METRO line and bus rapid transit line in Minnesota, the Red Line, is not operated by Metro Transit but by Minnesota Valley Transit Authority.

METRO is not a distinct entity so it does not run individual service. The same organization does not run both services. It is both inaccurate to describe the A Line as being part of the METRO system, which this template currently does, and to describe the two BRT lines as being operated by the same organization.

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