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Colour scheme

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I have reverted the absolutely screaming colour scheme. I don't object to rather soft colours, but this scheme will be distracting from the contents in the article itself. The Banner talk 21:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-02T21:20:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-02T21:20:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

Then change it to darker red. Do not remove all the red color.It is Turkish cuisine and it has to have red and white.KazekageTR (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T14:21:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:21:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

yes, the addition of spurious colours should be discussed first. Frietjes (talk) 16:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T16:51:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:30:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

See the talkpage of Template:Turkish cuisine... The Banner talk 18:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:30:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:30:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T16:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:34:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

see the discussion here. that discussion is for the sidebar, not the navbox. Frietjes (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:34:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:34:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

It is the same colour issue. I hoped you noticed that. The Banner talk 18:36, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:38:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z","c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:46:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

no, it's not the same issue, see Template:Cuisine of Cyprus and wp:deviations. Frietjes (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:38:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:38:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

see the foot of Mangal (barbecue), no reason for one to be coloured and the other not. Frietjes (talk) 18:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T18:46:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well Frietjes, it is allowed to put colors into templates after it has been approved or/after it has been disgussed. You may put some color to other template, if the color is O.K. for sure.

per WP:BRD, there is no problem with adding them, and there is also no problem with reverting the addition, then discussing it. however, WP:BRD does not mean BRRRRR with no D. also, copying an entire thread is offensive, since it implies that I somehow did not read the thread on the other talk page, which was about a sidebar not a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T19:13:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-Plastikspork-2013-12-23T01:59:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T19:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I agree, we don't need the extra colours. I didn't see any other cuisine navboxes using colouring, so I reverted it back to its original state. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-23T01:59:00.000Z","author":"Plastikspork","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Plastikspork-2013-12-23T01:59:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-12-08T19:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Banner-2013-12-23T02:21:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2013-12-23T01:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

And again the prior discussion, although mainly done on the now merged "Template talk:Turkish cuisine" is bluntly ignored. There was discussion, but ms. Frietjes decided to ignore that but TfD that template. But even now, the discussion is ignored as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Please restore the colours as discussed in the discussion below that ms. Friets so discretely deleted when it turned out that there was prior discussion about the colour scheme at both templates but centralised at the other template. Two discussion about one colour scheme used on two near identical templates, although preferred by ms. Frietjes, is an utter waste of time... The Banner talk 02:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-23T02:21:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-23T02:21:00.000Z-Plastikspork-2013-12-23T01:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

Copy of discussion from Template talk:Turkish cuisine

I've updated the color scheme and added new sections to the template. And this is the best picture among all those 'sofra' pics. Please dont change anything before we talk it in here. Lütfen burada tartışmadan hiçbirşey değiştirmeyin. KazekageTR (talk) 23:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-21T23:15:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-11-21T23:15:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-Mark_Arsten-2013-11-22T01:24:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-11-21T23:15:00.000Z"]}}--> I've just fully protected the article for one week per this request. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-22T01:24:00.000Z","author":"Mark Arsten","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mark_Arsten-2013-11-22T01:24:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-11-21T23:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--> Thank you sir! KazekageTR (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-22T20:25:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-11-22T20:25:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":[]}}--> I have reverted the absolutely screaming colour scheme. I don't object to rather soft colours, but this scheme will be distracting from the contents in the article itself. The Banner talk 21:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-02T21:22:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-02T21:22:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}--> Then change it to darker red. Do not remove all the red color.It is Turkish cuisine and it has to have red and white.KazekageTR (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)KazekageTR (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-03T14:26:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z","c-The_Banner-2013-12-03T15:34:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z"]}}--> I think WP:BRD is in order. The strong red colour was boldly added, and was then reverted as disputed. The next step is to discuss its inclusion here before restoring it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-03T14:26:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--> Can you explain to me why it has to have red and white? Food had more colours than that and we serve an worldwide encyclopaedia without space for nationalistic symbols. But most important: the choices for you made were absolutely screaming and distracting. The Banner talk 15:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T15:34:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-03T15:34:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}--> Choosing colours The present pink looks a bit like a band-aid. The red is incredibly overpowering. Can we all find a nice compromise? Some nice links to get us started: Color picker Color wheel List of colors: A–F List of colors: G–M List of colors: N–Z Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-03T14:31:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":[]}}--> well could you suggest a tone of red then please Ms. Frodesiak ??? but like i said to The Banner, it has to have red color, like the Greek one has blue and the Canadian templates has red and white.KazekageTR (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T14:41:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:41:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-03T15:20:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:41:00.000Z"]}}--> I'm happy with a red. I'll let you and others suggest something. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T15:20:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-03T15:20:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-03T14:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--> a different red perhaps an idea? The Banner talk 15:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-03T15:43:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-03T15:43:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}--> how is that red ? by the way i think we should stick to the red which is on the Turkish flag. How bout that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KazekageTR (talk • contribs) 16:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z-Colour_scheme","replies":["c-The_Banner-2013-12-04T19:03:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z","c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-04T23:31:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z"]}}--> You have many colours of red. I must admit that the present shade of red is far less screaming and distracting. Do we have a deal on that shade? The Banner talk 19:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-04T19:03:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-04T19:03:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}--> I like what's in the navbox right now. Red, but not so dark that the black lettering is hard to see. Not so bright that bulls rush into the room and attack the monitor. Seems good to me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-04T23:31:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-04T23:31:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-04T16:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I propose to use the same colour scheme as used at Template:Turkish cuisine, as discussed earlier there. A copy of the discussion is added here under the header "For ms. Frietjes". The Banner talk 18:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T18:51:00.000Z","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:51:00.000Z-proposal","replies":["c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T19:00:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

I propose that one of the two templates be deleted as they are entirely redundant. or we should go back to the uncoloured version which has been used for years per WP:BRD and wp:deviations. I also propose you stop calling me 'Mr' since that is not my gender. Frietjes (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T19:00:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-12-08T19:00:00.000Z-The_Banner-2013-12-08T18:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ms. Frietjes, we can make a discussion about deleting this template, as the other one is pretty useful. On the talk page of the Template:Turkish cuisine there is a discussion about it too. I propose a voting or sth. like that.KazekageTR (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-08T21:48:00.000Z","author":"KazekageTR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KazekageTR-2013-12-08T21:48:00.000Z-proposal","replies":["c-Off-shell-2013-12-09T21:12:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-08T21:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

If one should choose between the two templates, I would keep this one (navbar Cuisine of Turkey) and delete the other one (infobox Turkish cuisine). I find the other template really very disturbing. Just look at the Pilaf page! All those infobox/sidebar templates (Turkish cuisine, Indian cuisine, Iranian cuisine) are cluttering up the page. Normally one should have no more than one infobox on a single page (as pointed out in the template documentation), but there there are four! If one continues this way, one would also add the Greek cuisine sidebar there etc. I see only one place where the Turkish cuisine infobox is reasonably located: the page Turkish cuisine. On all other pages the navbar is much more appropriate. It does not disturb reading the article about a particular dish, while someone interested in other turkish dishes may find the links at the bottom. My proposal is thus: Remove the infobox from all pages except perhaps the page Turkish cuisine. Use this navbar on all other relevant pages. Off-shell (talk) 21:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-09T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Off-shell","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Off-shell-2013-12-09T21:12:00.000Z-KazekageTR-2013-12-08T21:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I was pointed in this direction (User talk:Anna Frodesiak#Turkish cuisine template). I'd like to just be a fly on the wall, if that's okay. If things go pear-shaped, I'll speak up. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-09T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2013-12-09T00:03:00.000Z-proposal","replies":[]}}-->