Template talk:History of Palestine

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Modern Palestine and Topics

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Shouldn't the Modern Palestine and Topics sections be about the whole Palestine region, and not just about the Palestinian territories? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-27T08:24:00.000Z","author":"Emmette Hernandez Coleman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-27T08:24:00.000Z-Modern_Palestine_and_Topics","replies":["c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-28T14:06:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-27T08:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Plus if we want a WB/GS history template, we should probably make one like {{History of South Korea}}. Other then those two sections and the Coat of Arms, this template seams to be about the whole Palestine region, making the the equivalent of {{History of Korea}}, which is about the whole Korea region, not just the north or the south. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-28T14:06:00.000Z","author":"Emmette Hernandez Coleman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-28T14:06:00.000Z-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-27T08:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No one's objected, so I'll go ahead and make the Modern Palestine section about the whole region, and remove the CoA. I'll remove the topics section entirely, it's only about the Palestine Arabs, and to make it deal with both Arabs and Israelis, we would need to include two links to every topic (one for Israel, one for WB&GS). That topics section would work quite well on a WB&GS template tough.Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-28T20:13:00.000Z","author":"Emmette Hernandez Coleman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emmette_Hernandez_Coleman-2012-10-28T20:13:00.000Z-Modern_Palestine_and_Topics","replies":[]}}-->

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Merging

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There is an active merger proposal on Template:Governance of Palestine from 1948, suggesting to merge it into this template: Template:Governance of Palestine from 1948 -> Template:History of Palestine Please express your opinion at the talk page.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-12T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Greyshark09","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greyshark09-2012-12-12T17:27:00.000Z-Merging","replies":[]}}-->

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Topic:mondern history only?

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The topic of this template may only refer to the geographical history of the current geopolitical entity named Palestine. We don't have such templates for "regions".GreyShark (dibra) 17:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-14T17:57:00.000Z","author":"Greyshark09","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greyshark09-2014-08-14T17:57:00.000Z-Topic:mondern_history_only?","replies":["c-Tahc-2014-08-14T21:18:00.000Z-Greyshark09-2014-08-14T17:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"GreyShark"}}-->

There seem to be many editors that disagree with you, but I am only going to ask for consistency.

If it is only history of the current geopolitical entity named Palestine, then you should drop everything in the template before the mondern history section. tahc ^chat 21:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-14T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Tahc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tahc-2014-08-14T21:18:00.000Z-Greyshark09-2014-08-14T17:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T12:26:00.000Z-Tahc-2014-08-14T21:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

tahc, GreyShark That is true. We are just mixing up Philistines and Palestinians, They just have similar name however they are very different form one another. The first were Greek and the second emerge from arab tribes in the area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sokuya (talk • contribs) 12:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Sokuya","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T12:26:00.000Z-Tahc-2014-08-14T21:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Prehistory, Ancient history and Classical period?

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I think you are mixing between Palestinian and Philistines, However they are not the same people. The first were Greek and the second emerge from arabs tribes in the area. For example, how even Achaemenid Empire (Yehud Medinata) related to Palestine. Have you even read the articles in these series? We are contradicting ourselves. Sokuya (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T12:20:00.000Z","author":"Sokuya","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T12:20:00.000Z-Prehistory,_Ancient_history_and_Classical_period?","replies":["c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T13:00:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T12:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nobody is mixing anything. Gaza was one of the five Philistine cities, and today is a part of the State of Palestine. --Makeandtoss (talk) 13:00, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Makeandtoss","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T13:00:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T12:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T13:47:00.000Z-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T13:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, but we are not talking on the same geo-political entity. There are a lot of articles in the template that just not related. The word Palestine is not even mention in them. So what does this template should represent? Sokuya (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T13:47:00.000Z","author":"Sokuya","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T13:47:00.000Z-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T13:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T14:28:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T13:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

The word Palestine does not need to be mentioned in them. The template, currently, tries to display all the ancient states and civilizations that have existed in the West Bank and Gaza (Palestine). Makeandtoss (talk) 14:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Makeandtoss","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T14:28:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T13:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T15:38:00.000Z-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T14:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

So why there is so much difference between Template: History of Israel and Template:History of Palestine if the 2 states located on the same land. Sokuya (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Sokuya","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sokuya-2016-10-20T15:38:00.000Z-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T14:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T16:13:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T15:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

The history templates should generally focus on all the ancient civilizations and states that existed in a land, some articles are given more importance than others since they relate to the identity of that land/modern state. Example: Israel is a Jewish state and so its history template is skewed towards ancient Jewish states. While its true that the 2 states are located in the same land, but geographical differences still exist. For example Jericho, is completely inside Palestinian territories. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-20T16:13:00.000Z","author":"Makeandtoss","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Makeandtoss-2016-10-20T16:13:00.000Z-Sokuya-2016-10-20T15:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->