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Pantera Rosa camouflage

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Chilean camouflage found on this website

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No indication that is a reliable source. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-09T07:52:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2012-10-09T07:52:00.000Z-Kohoit-2012-10-09T02:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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template width

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in the current version of the template, the [show]/[hide] links overlap with the section titles (on Firefox/Linux). the solution is to either make the box wider, or left-align the section titles. Frietjes (talk) 23:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-21T23:48:00.000Z","author":"Frietjes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Frietjes-2013-01-21T23:48:00.000Z-template_width","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-2013-01-22T07:56:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-01-21T23:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

It doesn't happen in Firefox/Windows so it must be a version-specific bug which will likely be fixed soon. I suppose we have to left-align for the moment. Let's hope we can put it back soon. (Unless anyone knows of a way to test for Linux and switch left only there?) Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-22T07:56:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2013-01-22T07:56:00.000Z-Frietjes-2013-01-21T23:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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WikiProject listing

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Any objections to me adding WikiProject banners for Biology, Evolutionary Biology, and Military History? — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 08:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-18T08:36:00.000Z","author":"Sasuke Sarutobi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2014-06-18T08:36:00.000Z-WikiProject_listing","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-2014-06-18T08:39:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2014-06-18T08:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here on the talk page? Why not, go ahead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-18T08:39:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2014-06-18T08:39:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2014-06-18T08:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Image(s) in template

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I removed the image of fish as it appears somewhat random given the other items in the template; this was then undone. The majority of the template - over 50% - is about military camouflage so that would be more relevant to have an image. My own take is that this template does not require images per se and it could quickly be cluttered by them. Londonclanger (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-22T09:08:00.000Z","author":"Londonclanger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Londonclanger-2016-09-22T09:08:00.000Z-Image(s)_in_template","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-2016-09-22T14:28:00.000Z-Londonclanger-2016-09-22T09:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for asking. However, the image is absolutely non-random: as I said clearly in my edit comment, the image of the flounder demonstrates active camouflage. The image has been in the template for many months; there has been no earlier request to add images in that time. The standard template provides for exactly one image, so there is no likelihood of clutter. On the topic, the great majority of published research on camouflage is zoological; and animals have been using camouflage for at least 100 million years. Humans have been using it for just over a century. Most of the pioneering work on camouflage, both in peacetime and in war, has been done by zoologists such as Hugh Cott (who taught camouflage in WWII). The image is easily recognised as camouflage by soldiers, biologists and the general public alike, and it (dramatically) makes the point that creating camouflage in different patterns against different backgrounds can be done (quickly) by animals which evolved this ability. The function of an image in a template is to illustrate its theme, which this image absolutely does: it shows not simply a pattern, an animal, or a piece of equipment, but the capability of rendering something almost undetectable against a background, the essence of camouflage itself. I'd be hard pressed to find a better illustration of that capability. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-22T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2016-09-22T14:28:00.000Z-Londonclanger-2016-09-22T09:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Ghillie suit

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I have noticed that the Ghillie suit page is not used anywhere in this template. It should be, since it is an important part of camouflaging. I would add it myself, I just don't know where the best place for it would be. Maybe someone else can find one? Skjoldbro (talk) 12:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-11T12:54:00.000Z","author":"Skjoldbro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skjoldbro-2017-05-11T12:54:00.000Z-Ghillie_suit","replies":[]}}-->

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Re-ordered template

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I've re-ordered the template to try and group a couple of sections, and also to try and minimise the stepping caused by alternating between different subgroup levels. It's at this revision of the sandbox. Does anyone have any feedback on this version? — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-16T08:50:00.000Z","author":"Sasuke Sarutobi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-03-16T08:50:00.000Z-Re-ordered_template","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-2018-03-16T09:41:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-03-16T08:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:41, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-16T09:41:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2018-03-16T09:41:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-03-16T08:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-03-22T13:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2018-03-16T09:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done Thank you. I've updated the template to match your revision of the sandbox. — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 13:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-22T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Sasuke Sarutobi","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-03-22T13:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2018-03-16T09:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Separate template for patterns?

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@Chiswick Chap: I saw your reversion, and it led me to wonder: Given the size of the "patterns" block already, do you think it might be worth spinning off patterns into a template of their own, and then just keeping a few of the most-used patterns in the main template? — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 11:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-08-10T11:09:00.000Z","author":"Sasuke Sarutobi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-08-10T11:09:00.000Z-Separate_template_for_patterns?","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-2018-08-10T17:27:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-08-10T11:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, that's possible; would become clearly worth it if there were many more patterns articles. In which case we might leave only links to articles on groups of patterns, the major pattern families. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-08-10T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2018-08-10T17:27:00.000Z-Sasuke_Sarutobi-2018-08-10T11:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->